A Growing Chinese Confidence

Blitzo

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So what you seem to be saying is that you don't want the Chinese government to be diplomatic, simply to say "we're great, like it or lump it"? That's not good PR, it's like a company telling the public "we have the best products - if you don't agree, buy someone else's!"

I want the chinese government and media to be able to stand up to the western media's flak and preconceptions.
If you equate that to what you described, well then okay.

Reminds me of that biblical saying

" Why do you look at the speck that is in your brothers eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

I don't know how you can say that when the VFM clearly said that she didn't see China as wanting to rule the world, that they had lots to learn from the west, that she found the sheer notion of china being an economic superpower flattering. Even when asked about the chinese system being "superior" she rejected the use of that word.

I mean if she'd said "oh yes we are a superpower and I expect in two decades we shall be number one in every aspect of economics, technology, politics and human rights" or "it's either our way or the freaking highway!!" then I would agree with you.
 
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bladerunner

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I don't know how you can say that when the VFM clearly said that she didn't see China as wanting to rule the world, that they had lots to learn from the west, and found the sheer notion of china being an economic superpower flattering.

I was actually refering to the headline that the West was becoming conceited


the VFM clearly said that she didn't see China as wanting to rule the world,

Thats just her opinion
 

Blitzo

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I was actually refering to the headline that the West was becoming conceited

Lol I was actually surprised at how this website managed to twist some of her words -- clearly latching onto this phrase as the title gives the feeling China itself is being conceited. But once you read through the interview you tell it's far from the case.

If this was xinhua or chinadaily with that title... well then I would agree with you a little bit more. On that subject chinadaily's title of this interview was "Vice FM urges West to break distrust with China".

Actually, if you go to the speigel link I posted with the interview and click through some of the pictures and captions they attached from... you can almost see the minds at work behind the curtain.

Thats her opinion

Seeing as she's vice foreign minister of the country... well I'd like to think it's a bit more than that.
 
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bladerunner

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Seeing as she's vice foreign minister of the country... well I'd like to think it's a bit more than that.

Is she a member of Foreign Affairs Leading Small Group of the Communist Party of China (FALSG) 中央外事工作领导小组? They are the ones that really call the shots.
 

Blitzo

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Is she a member of Foreign Affairs Leading Small Group of the Communist Party of China (FALSG) 中央外事工作领导小组? They are the ones that really call the shots.

IF she isn't I hope she will be.

And even if she isn't, that doesn't mean what she said was only her opinion. Being vice FM is a pretty big label by itself.
 

bladerunner

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IF she isn't I hope she will be.

And even if she isn't, that doesn't mean what she said was only her opinion. Being vice FM is a pretty big label by itself.

Well shes 58 . I thought civil servants retired at 60in China

In America I suppose her role would be the equivilent of the Vice secretary of state assistants assistant. How far down the chain in American politics before one does'nt put too much relevance into what someone said.
 

solarz

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I was actually refering to the headline that the West was becoming conceited

She didn't write the headline. The Westerners did.


Thats just her opinion

Hers and that of just about every Chinese out there. Or are you still stuck in the mentality that Communists are out there to conquer the world?

So what you seem to be saying is that you don't want the Chinese government to be diplomatic, simply to say "we're great, like it or lump it"? That's not good PR, it's like a company telling the public "we have the best products - if you don't agree, buy someone else's!"

China isn't here to sell you anything.


He has to act like that,

because he can not afford to be seen being reasonable or rational with those Chinese.

Athenians used to despise any politicans who were willing to have reasonable compromises with the Spartans during the peloponnesian war. thus blood and treasures has to be lost for basically a mob mentality.

this is exactly the same thing happening again.

If this is the pinncle of human civilization, and end of history, then I would say human civilization has no future.

It's certainly not representative of human civilization, even though Western culture loves representing itself that way. (See, even *you* are thinking in those terms!)

This kind of reaction from the US vice president just reinforces what Mme Fu Ying has said. When was the last time Chinese politicians came back from a US trip and acted like they were "tough guys"?

Not to psychoanalyze too much, but I believe this kind of mentality is rooted in the West's colonial past. Though colonialism itself is gone, the attitude that the West is, *must be*, superior has remained.
 

i.e.

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It's certainly not representative of human civilization, even though Western culture loves representing itself that way. (See, even *you* are thinking in those terms!)

This kind of reaction from the US vice president just reinforces what Mme Fu Ying has said. When was the last time Chinese politicians came back from a US trip and acted like they were "tough guys"?

Not to psychoanalyze too much, but I believe this kind of mentality is rooted in the West's colonial past. Though colonialism itself is gone, the attitude that the West is, *must be*, superior has remained.

Solarz,

I suggest you should read some Plato, and the contemporary historian of his time to really get a grasp on what I was saying there. In those Greek and Roman Historians you would find some of the sharpest criticism of democratic Athens. I merely made an observation based on those lines.

This is not a mentality of the "west" (I do not think there is such a thing as a "west"), nor any function of any one's colonial past. It is a necessary outcome of the political system.
 

cirvine11

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Good interview. I got two things from it;
1) Reading between the lines and overall tone-she is saying "China has interests. Deal with it."

2) She talks extensively about "a diffusion of power in the world." To me this seems to signal a desire to rewrite some international laws and change some accepted norms. We may first see the results of this in The Law of the Sea conventions.

To be fair-many people have commented that "freedom of naviagtion" over the world's oceans was never really meant to mean massive naval forces going whenever and wherever they want. I think this could be the first area of contention.
 
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