9 Hong Kong tourist dead in Manila hostage shootout

aquauant

aquauant

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AssassinsMace said:
Never said anything about karma. All that other bull is your nonsense. All I was pointing out was the overblown outrage of the reaction to this from Hong Kong. Never commented this was okay. You want me to bring up how Hong Kongers treat Filipino servants? By your logic you must be okay with rape. Apparently the so civil Hong Kong is not outraged by what Filipinos charged as abuse and exploitation. Do you really expect Filipinos to be respectful? Don't like it when I point out the people who cry about mistreatment of tourist are hypocrites when they mistreat tourists themselves. And yes I do have a negative perspective about Hong Kongers just like when they played drama queens over the 1997 handover. I wouldn't be surprised some are exploiting this as well. And Hong Kongers do think they are better than all other Chinese because of their British connections. Since I was born and live in the king of democratic nations, does that make me more superior to Hong Kongers. See I don't think like that.
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First of all, we dont call our domestic helper servants. I am surprised that you being the citizen in the king of democracy call another person a servant. That is so british, which Hong Kong people in HK dont like to be. That is why they stay in HK after the hangover.

Do you know what kind of HK people who have ID issues? Yes, We did have them. They immigrated to USA Canada and other western countries that they thought these countries are better than China. And then, they had children over there. The children grew up and realized their countrymen dont really think they are one of them. The sorry thing is that their parents trying so hard to assimilate into western culture, their children cannot speak, write and read even simple chinese. These are the Chinese who feels superior because of western connection. And they are more patriotic to China than to the host country. Probably it is because they are never been accepted by their countrymen.

Could you tell me how many abusive cases HK employers against domestic helper and vice versa? 2 years ago, as part of my work, I have worked and interviews with domestic helpers. FYI not all domestic helpers are Filipinos. they talk freely about jobs. They prefer stay in HK, because 1. it is highest paying place in asia. 2, lowest abusive cases in the domestic helper world market. You look at no of cases in singapore, middle east and australia. and then you can talk 3. strict labor law against employer.

I guess your countrymen has also overreacted with 911. what was 3000 against the US population? I agree with you that being born in the land of the King of democracy you are superior to us because you have the courage to say things that you have no knowledge of. Please stay with your countrymen and let the chinese deals with our China.
 
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BBC News said:
Manila bus siege police ignored elite army unit's offer

Police handling the armed siege of a tour bus in Manila on Monday made no use of an offer of help from a military squad trained in hostage negotiations.

The Philippine capital's police chief told a Senate inquiry he believed his officers could handle the situation.

Eight tourists from Hong Kong were killed on board the bus after it was hijacked by a former policeman.

President Benigno Aquino has promised that "someone will pay" for the "many failures" in the operation.

The police action has been officially criticised in Hong Kong, where a three minute silence was held on Thursday for the victims.

Philippine Army spokesman Brig Gen Jose Mabanta told the Senate enquiry that a specialist squad had been available and ready to help police, after the bus with 15 tourists on board was hijacked by an armed former police officer demanding his job back.

The team was "highly-trained, highly-equipped" and had experience in hostage situations involving Abu Sayyaf Islamist militants in the southern Philippines, he said.

The offer of help was accepted by the police but the soldiers were never used, he added.

But Brig Gen Mabanta could not say for certain that the outcome would have been different had the police handed over control to the army.

Manila Police's Chief Superintendent, Rodolfo Magtibay, meanwhile told the enquiry he had "honestly believed" that his force's Special Weapons and Tactics (Swat) team was sufficiently able to deal with the situation.
'Many failures'

In his strongest statement yet on the siege, President Aquino said on Thursday: "Someone failed. Someone will pay."

He said there had been "many failures" in the operation but that it would be "unfair to pre-judge" the officers involved, according to the Associated Press.

Monday's siege ended when police marksmen shot and killed the hostage-taker, former Senior Inspector Rolando Mendoza.

Survivors and experts have criticised the police for being indecisive and slow in their handling of the crisis.

In the last hour of the siege, which was being broadcast live on television, police failed in an attempt to board the bus.

In Hong Kong, a sombre mourning service was held on Thursday as the bodies of the eight victims returned home.

Both city officials and the authorities in China have demanded a full enquiry into what went wrong.

Democratic Party legislator Emily Lau expressed disgust at the actions and said the people of Hong Kong people had lost confidence in the authorities in the Philippines to handle the crisis and its aftermath.

She said that if a better trained military team had been available then they should have used it, but that the decision was too late now.
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This could have all been resolved if the police had just let the better equipped, better trained army specialists who have decades of real life experience with hostage situations with the insurgency in the South of the Philippines were allowed to handle this.
 
MwRYum

MwRYum

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AssassinsMace said:
Never said anything about karma. All that other bull is your nonsense. All I was pointing out was the overblown outrage of the reaction to this from Hong Kong. Never commented this was okay. You want me to bring up how Hong Kongers treat Filipino servants? By your logic you must be okay with rape. Apparently the so civil Hong Kong is not outraged by what Filipinos charged as abuse and exploitation. Do you really expect Filipinos to be respectful? Don't like it when I point out the people who cry about mistreatment of tourist are hypocrites when they mistreat tourists themselves. And yes I do have a negative perspective about Hong Kongers just like when they played drama queens over the 1997 handover. I wouldn't be surprised some are exploiting this as well. And Hong Kongers do think they are better than all other Chinese because of their British connections. Since I was born and live in the king of democratic nations, does that make me more superior to Hong Kongers. See I don't think like that.
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Perhaps I can help you to understand why all that fury in HK at this time:
1. While it's not a uncommon knowledge that Philippine is something short of a failed state, there's one thing to know the government can do nothing right, and there's another thing when such failure is done live on TV.
2. The obvious failure of the police in this incident: maybe we're too used to the quick-and-snappy takedown actions (not those in movies, though mostly drill types), even a layman would find it utter ridiculous with an assault that took almost an hour, with none of the right tools - frame charge, flashbangs, SMGs - and planning... practically everything that shouldn't do, they did. And like I said, all for the world to see, live. As for those of us who are into military stuff and more - say, served in army in the past - knows more than the common folks, the kind of mistakes made are even more unforgiving.
3. That's where the aftermath - a president inspecting the carnage with a grin on his face? Do the news conference with a grin? Defending the police that they did the right thing? The police said they follow things by the book (god knows what edition that book is, written before the Munich incident?)? Now imagine your President (or former president now) G.W. Bush put a smiley face when inspecting the 9-11 ground zero site, won't you Americans nail his arse on the wall for that?
4. Add more fuel to the fire would be the common Filipinos treat that scene like a new tourist spot, and taking smiley pics (worse, even the police did that!). Tell me, would anyone do that at the ground zero site and not getting a good scolding for that?
5. And say that things getting spilled to the common Filipinos working in HK...yes it's unfortunate that such happened, but ain't you Americans did the same towards the Muslim community after 9-11? As much as sinners as we are, you got no right to tell us what's right and not. Even now from government to community leaders are pleading calm among the local populace not to let things spill to the Filipinos who work here. Still, it's still worth to see would it be calm or hell break lose on the coming Sunday, the usual day for Filipinos to spend their day-off at Central area.
 
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I would be very disappointed to learn that Hong Kongers had used the occasion of 1 lunatic and a bunch of incompetent policemen as an excuse to victimise a group of generally inoffensive women who are already some of the poorest and most put upon in the city.

I would also remind you that in the recent Clinton/Yang spat it was the Philippines that gave the Chinese position the greatest support. This is not the time to look for avoidable disagreements.
 
solarz

solarz

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aquauant said:
First of all, we dont call our domestic helper servants. I am surprised that you being the citizen in the king of democracy call another person a servant. That is so british, which Hong Kong people in HK dont like to be. That is why they stay in HK after the hangover.
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Heh, that's funny.

There was one incident in China where a man took a child hostage in a multi-story building. There were pics of it on the internet. He sat holding the kid on window ledge threatening to fall out of the window. The police just snuck into the next room, popped out of the window next over, and shot the guy in the head where he released the kid and fell out the window by himself. Bold move by police. US police would never do such a thing because of the possibility endangering the kid.
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What happened to the kid?

And yes I do have a negative perspective about Hong Kongers just like when they played drama queens over the 1997 handover. I wouldn't be surprised some are exploiting this as well. And Hong Kongers do think they are better than all other Chinese because of their British connections.
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I'd take Hong Kongers over Taiwainese any day. As for feeling "superior" because of their British connections, hell, even Mainlanders do that.


Oh, and I don't think Hong Kongers have considered Mainlanders to be "hillbillies" since the 90's. Granted, I'm solely judging this from their movies...
 
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AssassinsMace

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aquauant said:
First of all, we dont call our domestic helper servants. I am surprised that you being the citizen in the king of democracy call another person a servant. That is so british, which Hong Kong people in HK dont like to be. That is why they stay in HK after the hangover.

Do you know what kind of HK people who have ID issues? Yes, We did have them. They immigrated to USA Canada and other western countries that they thought these countries are better than China. And then, they had children over there. The children grew up and realized their countrymen dont really think they are one of them. The sorry thing is that their parents trying so hard to assimilate into western culture, their children cannot speak, write and read even simple chinese. These are the Chinese who feels superior because of western connection. And they are more patriotic to China than to the host country. Probably it is because they are never been accepted by their countrymen.

Could you tell me how many abusive cases HK employers against domestic helper and vice versa? 2 years ago, as part of my work, I have worked and interviews with domestic helpers. FYI not all domestic helpers are Filipinos. they talk freely about jobs. They prefer stay in HK, because 1. it is highest paying place in asia. 2, lowest abusive cases in the domestic helper world market. You look at no of cases in singapore, middle east and australia. and then you can talk 3. strict labor law against employer.

I guess your countrymen has also overreacted with 911. what was 3000 against the US population? I agree with you that being born in the land of the King of democracy you are superior to us because you have the courage to say things that you have no knowledge of. Please stay with your countrymen and let the chinese deals with our China.
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I feel the same way about the Filipino "servants" in regards on the question why the tourists went to the Philippines or those three hikers captured by Iran. If it's so abusive to them to work in Hong Kong, they have the choice not to work there. When China wanted them out of Hong Kong soon after the hand-over, Hong Kong and the Filipinos wanted them to stay. This has nothing to do with my opinion. You just might have to think that the outrage you feel over the Philippines disrespect and unconcerned attitude might be due to that. That's what happenes when you disregard other people. Don't expect respect to returned.

I love how the people who've been preaching the civility of democracy and freedom are the ones that want restrict them when it comes to direct criticism of their concerns. Jackie Chan trying to be the cool head in Hong Kong while he's being criticise by the exteremists... He tells people to be calm and don't hate and he gets attacked for it. What happened to all that advance Hong Kong civility? Don't like someone elses opinion so shut up now!


What happened to the kid?
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Looks like he lived through it.


Perhaps I can help you to understand why all that fury in HK at this time:
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Yes, yes... I understand all that. But if someone sees themselves being disrespected as many Filipinos see in Hong Kong, don't expect them to give respect in return unless one's a snob who thinks they're superior and expects it all the time disregarding how they treat others. I'm not taking a pro-Filipino postion. I'm just amazed at the overblown anger and the misguided hatred from the self-proclaim civilized Hong Kong.
 
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it is disgraceful if those racist appeals for retribution, such as Internet posts calling for Filipino maids in the city to be sacked and sent home. or verbal threats against them continued. 2 wrongs don't make a right.


It is the army of foreign maids that allow Hong Kong's upper and middle classes to put in all those long hours at the office without worrying about child care and housework. without them the city will not function as well as it does now.

MwRYum said:
4. Add more fuel to the fire would be the common Filipinos treat that scene like a new tourist spot, and taking smiley pics (worse, even the police did that!). Tell me, would anyone do that at the ground zero site and not getting a good scolding for that?
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actually some hongkongers did something similar too. there are lousy eggs everywhere tbh...
 
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aquauant

aquauant

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AssassinsMace said:
I feel the same way about the Filipino "servants" in regards on the question why the tourists went to the Philippines or those three hikers captured by Iran. If it's so abusive to them to work in Hong Kong, they have the choice not to work there. When China wanted them out of Hong Kong soon after the hand-over, Hong Kong and the Filipinos wanted them to stay. This has nothing to do with my opinion. You just might have to think that the outrage you feel over the Philippines disrespect and unconcerned attitude might be due to that. That's what happenes when you disregard other people. Don't expect respect to returned.

I love how the people who've been preaching the civility of democracy and freedom are the ones that want restrict them when it comes to direct criticism of their concerns. Jackie Chan trying to be the cool head in Hong Kong while he's being criticise by the exteremists... He tells people to be calm and don't hate and he gets attacked for it. What happened to all that advance Hong Kong civility? Don't like someone elses opinion so shut up now!





Looks like he lived through it.


Yes, yes... I understand all that. But if someone sees themselves being disrespected as many Filipinos see in Hong Kong, don't expect them to give respect in return unless one's a snob who thinks they're superior and expects it all the time disregarding how they treat others. I'm not taking a pro-Filipino postion. I'm just amazed at the overblown anger and the misguided hatred from the self-proclaim civilized Hong Kong.
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siegecrossbow said:
That phrase is very offensive. Please don't use it.
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Domestic helpers eat at the same table with us. They drink and eat the same food with us, travel the same bus. How we HKers as a whole disrespect domestic helpers? Tell me. I am sure it is not like in the King of democracy, where cab driver got stabbed because he is American practicing muslim , or cannot build the place of worship anywhere. I guess we chinese do not share your way of respect.

Even our national government was appalled by this incident. THis is not just about hkers. Mainland Chinese travels and have business there as well. They cancel their tours at their own will.

I dont much about the king of democracy. But I know we dont have the same freedom as your country. But we do value freedom of speech when we have it. Jackie chan blogged his comments and news reported it. No one banned his comments. People disagree with him. People choose to dislike his comments and him. Right or wrong, I think it is called freedom. You called you people are from the king of democracy. I thought you knew.

When our flag is raised, it is our Chinese national flag. When our children go to school everyday, they sing Chinese national anthem. When our motherland is in need, we stay and help. We are the one who did not leave when China was poor and backward. We invested in China when no one would. In the 80s, 80% of foreign direct investment came from HK. Last time I checked few years ago, it was 25%. 25% came from a city of 6.5 million. Taiwan did not put a dime in China back then. They rather invested in SE Asia. But we chose our motherland because 90% of hkers came from there. Some Hkers in the 80s thought less of mainlanders. Some of those have left. But some decided to stay, changed their mind and hope for a better China. Those who left for western countries has abandoned us when China was rebuilding. Now their descendants somehow think they know better about we chinese living in China. We are Chinese national. We will gladly fight the American and British over again when our motherland calls us. Country that hurts our citizens even one hair, we as one nation reacts in unity. We did not overreact. This is a warning to other nations, including your king of democracy, that Chinese will not accept citizens of our nation to be hurt.
 
AssassinsMace

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You just don't get it. I use "servants" because that's the way Hong Kongers treat them. I use "King of Democracy" because the only thing Hong Kongers seem to think they're better than the average Chinese is because of the British legacy. Since the British are followers of the US, by the logic of the elitists in Hong Kong, I must be a superior Chinese to them. Don't like the logic? Well then Hong Kongers shouldn't be so smug then?

I don't believe every person in Hong Kong acts that way. It's the elitist class who hide behind democracy and civility. Just like the guy behind those animations. He's one of those elitists who cry about freedom in Hong Kong yet he's behind those tabloidish news animations where he fills in the blanks with what he believes happens not anything based on the truth.
 
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