9 Hong Kong tourist dead in Manila hostage shootout

AssassinsMace said:

That's funny. Ask anybody here if I kow-tow to the West.



Decades? Tourism from the mainland is a recent event.



Uhh where did I say you insulted me? Is this you making up some fake insult I was hurt by just so you can relish I was hurt by your insult? LOL!

Well then you must be in denial. Because there's always some ugly side of Hong Kong that surfaces every now and then. I've got a lot more where that came from.

How was my parents smuggling people? First I thought it was your lack of communcation and comprehension skills but it's just you'remaking stuff up. Love it when when people who argue with me have to start making stuff up to win an argument.



What are you talking about?



That's funny. Is this like reverse psychology. After I exposed the ugliness of Hong Kong it's hard to face the truth. So what do you do is switch the roles. Yeah Hong Kong doesn't have continuous protests against China in the name of democracy to which is used in propaganda against China. Notice you didn't comment on the Hong Kong nightclubs that discriminate against Chinese on their own land? Just like no dogs or Chinese allowed. Not decades ago but decades old.



Well in Canada and Great Britain Chinese are a minority so there's this pressure to comform. But what's Hong Kong's excuse? Chinese are the majority and still there's this preferential treatment to the old colonial masters. That's just sad and not a sign of superiority.


I love how you say I'm looking at things decades old. The Macau-Zhuhai-Hong Kong Bridge reluctance was a recent event and showed how scared Hong Kong elitists thought they were going to become assimulated into being Chinese faster. The whole identity thing surfaced since the handover. That's where most of this was born from. Hong Kong elitists were afraid of becoming Chinese like everyone else in China. Again why was there all these drama queen tantrums over the handover if returning to the motherland was so great? Oh maybe I was imagining it. If Hong Kong was filled with patriots, why are all the democracy drama queens out in full force for any negative event happening in China? A couple years back during the Olympics year there was an incident that happen in China where innocent Chinese civilians were slaughtered on the streets. Was there anger in Hong Kong at the people who committed this dastardly deed like over this incident in Manila? No in fact there were protests against Bejing that supported these murderers that slaughtered innocent people.

And you're offended at me not being sympathetic to the Hong Kong elitists exploiting the incident in Manila? Do the mainland Chinese get to do what Hong Kongers want to be done to the Philippines but on the protestors in Hong Kong who defended the slaughter of innocent Chinese. Let's paint a broad brush on Hong Kongers too.

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1. first I said know-how. Only you somehow see it as kow-tow. Your Freudian slip maybe.
2. mainland tourism started in the 80s. It was tour-group first. It is anything but recent. You really need to check your facts.
3. Of course, every group of people have some bad apples. Like your king of democracy invaded iraqi under false pretense. Your freedom-loving and democratic countryman stab muslim cab driver and damage their fellow countrymen's mosques for pure hatred. But I am not like you, thinking a few incidents by some represent the whole. To arrive to your level of conclusion requires a serious dose of prejudice.
4. I am not like you. I am not born in the king of democracy. I do not have the best opportunity to learn english. My school in guangzhou city provided little english instruction. Do you understand chinese character? I can write clearer and better in Chinese, which is my mother-tongue.
5. I am glad you are not easily insulted.
6. As the bridge, it is a good laugh. It was delayed and delayed because it was a bridge to nowhere. At this time, there are transports like fast ferry and mainland highway network to connect the three places. The bridge is not cost-effective. It will need to charge over HK$200 and it wont break even in foreseeable future. It will divert traffic from mainland highway network to the bridge. It actually put on a negative economic impact on the towns between Shenzhen and Zhuhai. The people can utilize the bridge are the lorry drivers and tour buses (which also means more "forced purchases"). Few locals from 3 places have private cars. As I said, the tourists from mainland come individually mostly. They wont get the benefit. The bridge was eventually given a go-ahead for part of stimuli against recession. At this moment, we have numerous crossing between Shenzhen and HK. The last thing we want to is close the border. In fact, Shenzhen and HK have talks to integrate fully to the extent we can travel and work without custom and border. For a start, our train fare card between the two cities are interchangeable now. We are building superfast train rail directly connect to the national railway network. Most HKers see this as progress. Of course, you may say some dont like it. As in many places, you will find someone disagreeing. Some wants to go back to the past and some still hold onto the belief of the past and cannot move forward to new things and events. But they dont represent the whole.

7. I dont know why you keeping saying things that you have no basis of. You keep you saying you heard this and that. Can you see with your eyes? Tell me your misconceptions and I will do my best to clarify for you.

8. We always fight for better representation and freedom of speech. We must have less corruption and better legal system. This is also many chinese mainlanders are fighting for. Are you saying asking for better representation is un-chinese? Could you tell in what incident you see those chinese protesting for a just society are anti-chinese? Didnt you say you are born in the King of democracy? Maybe you are born there but do not share your countrymen's value of democracy.

8. where you see segregation, we chinese see unity. where you see discrimination, we chinese see resolution and understanding. where you see the past as present, we chinese see the future as present. It is sad that you keep hoping for a failed belief of infighting between chinese and refuse to accept Chinese as we are now, unified and confident. I guess you are westerner. You want to believe in this myth. You want to see us fighting between ourselves. You want us to fail. You are whiter than I thought.

SampanViking said:

You had better tone down the rhetoric and the bitching aquauant otherwise you can start looking forward to a short holiday.

assasinsmace - just walk away

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Do what you want. I seldom post here anyway. Next time someone puts a :china:, I think it requires more than a click.

aquauant said:

Do what you want. I seldom post here anyway. Next time someone puts a :china:, I think it requires more than a click.

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Wrong attitude, thread closed pending moderators decision

I may be not knowing too well into the technicalities of swat, policemen, special ops etc. but after reading some of the articles with rgd to this , it makes me very much to write this.
I am not a citizen of Phillipines but an ASEAN and have Chinese blood in me.
When some of us saw the video again and again, and the shots ringing out and voices screaming within, we cried out with my tears flowing non stop . Its like our brothers and sisters were being shot and killed whilst the so called helpers were there to rescue them. My hear was completely shattered knowing our comaridies had come to sunny Phillipines and as tourist , the least expect to be shot in the mouth, the neck, the face and everywhere.

and please do not called them Policemen, I had relatives in the police and its had shame to all the Policemen in the world. They are nothing but untrain cowards seeking attention in policemen uniform.

I saw one of the waving after the hostage taker killed , as if he was taking charge and many of them surrounding the bus but when the shooting starts ,a ll of them crimp and hiding behind each other's back.

and untrained negotiatiors in t shirts and , to me, they look like car park attendants, In fact they could have completed the negotiations as the hostage take was not asking 500 million but only his job back.

and even when the talks began to failed, at least he or some real hero or a sharpshooter shoot the hostage take in the non vital parts like leg to decapitage him without killing him. Insteasd of wasting 5 familes and 9 lives.

There is nothing but hurt in me to see such xxxxxx leadership from them.

Finn McCool said:

Well actually, I've seen somewhere, I think it was a video of some sort of SWAT training exercise, and actually they did break the bus windows with hammers in one great stroke. Where the Filipinos went wrong is when they took like 20 mins to get in the bus. The Israelis have taken down bus hijackers a few times before, and it was over in a seconds.

IMHO snipers are the best way to handle such a situation.

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It just looked like they had absolutely no plan B in place, so when the loon started shooting hostages, the police just rushed in and winged it, and winged it badly.

There are so many school boy errors made that even someone without much military training should have been able to foresee and avoid with a little common sense and thinking.

Firstly, the event should never have been allowed to be broadcasted live on TV. Lives were at stage, and when that is the case, press freedom comes a distant second to getting people out alive.

Even if they put a 5 minute delay into the broadcast, it could have been enough to save lives.

Secondly, if you are trying to assault anything, you do it from as many entry points at the same time as possible. The police only tried to get in from one direction at a time. That was inviting disaster as they pretty much lined themselves up as targets in a shooting gallery.

At the very least, a second team should have been trying to gain entry from the front window, or at least been ready to pop up and shoot the hostage taker in the back when the assault team was smashing in the back window and drawing the guy's attention and aim.

All of this and far more should have been thought of as they were negotiating with him, and a rescue plan should have been in place, with the assault teams and snipers brief and ready to go at a moment's notice in case a sudden development occurs. It is painfully obvious they had no such plan going in.

As it is, they were lucky the guy started blasting at will and give himself away for a sniper to take him out. If he had been determined to kill as many people as he could, no one would have gotten off the bus alive as the police would have been able to do nothing at all to stop him.

When an organization fails that completely, there is no quick fix. Even if they repair the underlying problems and make the police a respectable force, few people will be in any hurry to place any trust in them.

The Chinese Government would ultimately downplay the tragedy and will not press the Philippines too hard beyond an office enquiry and getting a few senior policemen most culpable getting the sack.

But for the Philippines' tourism industry to recover from this will require something for more drastic.

Hong Kong forensic police have examined the bus involved in the tragedy.

Members of a Hong Kong police forensic team:china: examine the tourist bus involved in the August 23 bus hostage crisis, at Camp Bagong Diwa in Metro Manila August 30, 2010. Eight Hong Kong hostages and the hostage taker, a sacked policeman, died in the hijack and the subsequent bungled rescue attempt by the Philippines' police, which has been heavily criticised across the world, particularly in Hong Kong and China.

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The good news is, people in HK overall heed to the call for calm, and the Sunday's protest did as it was advertised, with order and silence - though silence it only in acoustic, some of the banners were very vocal.

For Philippines, it's just obvious that they tried to rush out a report that'd be, hopefully, shine like in their favor as far as they can, but even now nobody gonna buy their story, that's why HK pushed - and got - their own forensic team to examine the bus, after being stonewalled by the Philippines for almost a week. It'd be difficult for the HK team to piece together, as for certain in the past week the sceen was certainly tainted.

I am not felling interesting, I am felling angry: