9 Hong Kong tourist dead in Manila hostage shootout

LOS ANGELES Hong Kong tourists were kidnapped in the Philippines suffered the incident,Jacky Chan recently spoke on Twitter Interpretation of reports by the media after the big wave triggered noisy contingent, 27 Sina Entertainment issued a statement through his explanation and gives a read:

新浪娱乐讯 香港观光客于菲律宾遭挟持受难事件，成龙日前于Twitter上发言经媒体解读报导后引发喧然大波，27日他透过新浪娱乐发出声明说明始末，原文如下：

　　首先，我要向在菲律宾受难者的香港家属们致上我最深的哀恸。可能我说得不清楚 视频：香港遇难同胞遗体返港 成龙言论引争议 媒体来源：SMG《新娱乐在线》 ，我的美国助手替我在Twitter上面写的内容经过翻译之后是不完整的原意，我觉得香港人在菲律宾旅行时遭到挟持杀害，是一桩令人伤心的悲剧。我是中国人，百分百是香港人，我对那些在这次不幸的事件中丧生的香港人感到悲痛，对那些失去亲人的家庭深表同情。希望那些伤者早日康复。

　　我只说过，我不会因为这桩悲剧恨菲律宾人，有十几万的菲律宾人在香港工作，也有不少香港人在菲律宾工作，如果彼此憎恨，会对香港与菲律宾都将造成很大的伤害。

　　至于是不是菲律宾警方的指挥不当造成这次悲剧，当然必须追究，就留待这方面的专家去做吧。

　　如果因为我之前在网站上表达的感想不完整，因此造成大家的误解和不满，我在此向大家表示我最诚挚的歉意。

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First of all, I would like the victims in the Philippines, Hong Kong To the families of my deepest sorrow. Maybe I made myself not clear, my assistant for the United States is written in my Twitter translated content is incomplete after the original intention, I think Hong Kong people have been kidnapped while traveling in the Philippines killed is a sad tragedy. I am Chinese, full of Hong Kong people, I am in the unfortunate event that killed the people feel grief for those who sympathize with the bereaved families. Hope that those injured a speedy recovery.

I said, I will not hate Filipinos awful tragedy, there are hundreds of thousands of Filipinos work in Hong Kong, many Hong Kong people work in the Philippines, if hated each other, will Hong Kong and the Philippines will be great damage.

As to whether the command of the Philippine police misconduct, caused the tragedy, of course, must be held, on the left to the experts do it.

If the site before I express my feelings is not complete, thus creating misunderstanding and resentment all, I express to you my most sincere apologies.

aquauant said:

We will gladly fight the American and British over again when our motherland calls us. Country that hurts our citizens even one hair, we as one nation reacts in unity. We did not overreact. This is a warning to other nations, including your king of democracy, that Chinese will not accept citizens of our nation to be hurt.

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Commendable as that sentiment is, especially from a HKer, I think it is rather misplaced in this instance. What happened in the Philippines, while tragic, was a criminal action, compounded by local law enforcement incompetence.

Never did the Philippine government intended to slight Hong Kong or China. In fact, they're going out of their way to apologize and promised to see justice done. The fact that private individuals in the Philippines did some very stupid and insensitive things should not be held against the nation as a whole.

AssassinsMace said:

You just don't get it. I use "servants" because that's the way Hong Kongers treat them. I use "King of Democracy" because the only thing Hong Kongers seem to think they're better than the average Chinese is because of the British legacy. Since the British are followers of the US, by the logic of the elitists in Hong Kong, I must be a superior Chinese to them. Don't like the logic? Well then Hong Kongers shouldn't be so smug then?

I don't believe every person in Hong Kong acts that way. It's the elitist class who hide behind democracy and civility. Just like the guy behind those animations. He's one of those elitists who cry about freedom in Hong Kong yet he's behind those tabloidish news animations where he fills in the blanks with what he believes happens not anything based on the truth.

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I will never understand people like you at all. People always say things and put cartoon up or whatever. It may be ill or defamatory. Jackie Chan can sue. the person who animated can then counter sue. But it is the same freedom for Jackie Chan as for the guy or anyone, until the law of this land is broken. That is the freedom we can have, for now.

I dont know what HK you are talking about. Majority of HK population are born in China. Good portion of our spouses are from China. We work in China. The biggest employers are mainland companies. Our bosses are from mainland. Our colleagues are mainlanders. Half of our TV Channels broadcasts ton of mainland soap opera. Our neighbors are mainlanders. Those who hate China and fear China would not stay in HK. I think they went to your king of democracy. Maybe you should start hating your parents. They are the ones who dislike Chinese enough to leave the motherland. They are the one who have a superiority smug and have ID issues. THEY LEFT THEIR OWN POOR CHINA TO ROT. YOU GUYS STAY IN YOUR HOST COUNTRY, LOOKING AT US WHILE WE HAVE FAMINES, FLOODS AND EARTHQUAKES. WE ARE THE ONES WHO STAY BEHIND. IF WE ARE SMUG, WHAT MAKES YOU AND YOUR PARENTS WHO LEFT!

If China is still poor and backward now, I bet lot of you would not be here. Most of you would pretend as white as possible. You know what? No matter how China will become, we are proud to be Chinese. Hong Kong people stick with China because we are Chinese.

So, who are you that tell me that one Chinese city of Chinese people is smug against other Chinese?

Sorry tell you there is this attitude not just with Hong Kong but with many in Asia that because they embrace Western culture or something to that effect they're better than those that don't. I've always heard about how when mainland Chinese started traveling to Hong Kong as tourists the elitist complained about their bad behavior. Meaning Hong Kong could do without them. Now that the preferred tourism from the West has dried up, the mainland tourists have saved that industry. But still no respect. I don't see forcing mainland Chinese, that don't know better, to spend money at stores as being respectful. Would they do that to a bus load of Western tourists? And since it was done to Mainland Chinese only, that's called exploitation. And what's all that business about identity after the handover? If the people of Hong Kong identify themselves as Chinese then they wouldn't be searching for an identity. And then I read that Hong Kong was heavily opposed in the beginning to the Macau-Zhuhai-Hong Kong bridge because of identity again. Didn't want Macau to shine because it took away from Hong Kong. The bridge just integrated Hong Kong more into China. Plus if there were really a sense of being Chinese in Hong Kong then why are there still clubs thats are exclusive to Westerners only and their invited guests. If some Chinese opened a nightclub in any Western country that only allowed Chinese men and their caucasion girlfriends, it would be burned down to the ground through violence. What about all the pro-democracy protests? Interesting how it was never as vocal when the British denied it. The fact is Hong Kong has lived by the same democracy the British left longer with Beijing than with London. I find it strange on the disparity of what makes a Hong Konger outraged.

This incident was the result one deranged crazy man. It wasn't an act of the government or some anti-China politics. If it was I'd understand all the anger.

AssassinsMace said:

I feel the same way about the Filipino "servants" in regards on the question why the tourists went to the Philippines or those three hikers captured by Iran. If it's so abusive to them to work in Hong Kong, they have the choice not to work there. When China wanted them out of Hong Kong soon after the hand-over, Hong Kong and the Filipinos wanted them to stay. This has nothing to do with my opinion. You just might have to think that the outrage you feel over the Philippines disrespect and unconcerned attitude might be due to that. That's what happenes when you disregard other people. Don't expect respect to returned.

I love how the people who've been preaching the civility of democracy and freedom are the ones that want restrict them when it comes to direct criticism of their concerns. Jackie Chan trying to be the cool head in Hong Kong while he's being criticise by the exteremists... He tells people to be calm and don't hate and he gets attacked for it. What happened to all that advance Hong Kong civility? Don't like someone elses opinion so shut up now!

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Yes, yes... I understand all that. But if someone sees themselves being disrespected as many Filipinos see in Hong Kong, don't expect them to give respect in return unless one's a snob who thinks they're superior and expects it all the time disregarding how they treat others. I'm not taking a pro-Filipino postion. I'm just amazed at the overblown anger and the misguided hatred from the self-proclaim civilized Hong Kong.

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Don't get us wrong, the Filipinos domestic helpers (or maids, if you feel politically incorrect) made no small contributions to HK manpower market and economy, freeing up females from domestic chores to join the workforce. Yes that means more kids getting raised by them instead of their parents but still their contributions should never be discounted.

Sure we all have heard and traded horror stories of incompetent ones, but personally I've witnessed more competent ones than not, and instead of employer/employee relationships they're more akin to friendships. And abuse cases? They're reported and let me tell you, being so hungry of stories the papers will report even the most minor of cases, and justice by courts always promptly served...hard to find one that got sweep under the rug. And despite all that, they keep coming to HK because in terms of pay and conditions, we offer the best rate in Asia, for one.

As for Jackie Chan's remark - the common knowledge is that at times of such sensibility, one must carefully choose his words, more so if you've a checkered past of making remarks. Jackie Chan's mistake this time was his remark was read backing the Philippine police, asid so that he represent the people of HK...that's what got his arse nailed to the wall.

It's like mixing chemicals the wrong way, it could bow up at your face, and it did big time for him this time round.

You may be embracing western culture. Most here in HK do not. We use western know-how.

As for the tourist group being forced to buy, have you ever travelled to asia in tour group? I bet you have not. I have and many hkers have. I went to Beijing, inner Mongolia , Philippines, Korea, Japan, taiwan and Australia. Every tour I went to there is "forced" purchase. It is not "forced". It is a must-see destination. The tour bus stops at the shop for an hour. The tour guide said the product is cheaper and he will have face when we buy. Sometimes we buy and sometimes we dont. The tour guide will turn black face. This happens to tours I went in the above countries. Do you hold it against them? I saw Australian spitting on our tour bus. Do I see australian the same way you see HKers because of incidents like this?

I work in Aberdeen Hong Kong. There are jewelry shops for tourists in the side street. Bus load of tourists, Chinese, white, SE Asian, indian, come to stop at the shop for "forced" purchase. It is not about mainland tourists. In fact, majority of the mainlanders no longer travel in tour group. They can come in as they like. It is about tour group. If you travel in tour group to any part of asia from any part of asia, you will be subjected to "forced purchases". Money has no color, no matter what race you are or what passport you are holding.

I am amused at your decades-old perception of how our relationship with others. Is there any misconceptions you want to talk about?

As for being insulted, which part that I said constituting an insult to you? I would like to know. You said you dont like people being smug against their own people. I think the worst smug is the people who turn their heads away from their own people and left. Since your parents left China for a better life in king of your democracy, so I can assume you dont like your parents for smugging their own people. I myself dont see HKers are being smug or anything superior to others. And I dont see smug has anything to do with this case. Yet, some how you see being smug is a factor. I just want to tell you that leaving our people to rot in the worst of time is the worst kind of smug.

And suggesting you and your parents are smugger than Hkers are insult? Is it as insulting as those people calling 6.5 million Chinese being smug?

Being living in the king of democracy (this is the first time I heard this term but it is entertaining one), you can surely lecture us about freedom and democracy. We chinese agree we have corruption and human right violation and all. We certainly hope one day our china can be called the king of the king of democracy. But dont you worry about our place?

Moreover, half of the hostage victims are Canadian and British. I dont know if these two countries are amongst your king of democracy. China is certainly not the king of democracy. I know enough to say that. But Chinese govt still wants justice for them even though you and others here who are from these western countries suggest we overreacted. Maybe the Canadian and British response so far is more appropriate. I clearly dont understand how westerners like you think. To us, they have once resided in Hong kong or china, they have used our tour service (yes, the victims probably been "forced purchase" as well) to Philippines. We see this as our duty to protect them and seek justice for them even though they chose other countries as the motherland. We Chinese (no matter we are from HK or any other Chinese city) are different from people who left us. We see responsibility and honor to fight for what we believe in. We may during this process complicate the grand strategy of SE Asia political issues. But this nation of ours sees our priority right and our government responds correctly.

Next time, we chinese should check whose countrymen we are actually protecting. Some looks really like Chinese, but they may not be. And the worst is their fellow countrymen will accuse us for overreacting and smug.

siegecrossbow said:

What do you mean assuming Chinese Special forces are better? They've won numerous times in International Special Forces Tournaments and have been trained hunting down well armed drug-smugglers on the China-Myanmar borders. Even if they are no Mossad you won't find them breaking into buses with hammers!

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Well actually, I've seen somewhere, I think it was a video of some sort of SWAT training exercise, and actually they did break the bus windows with hammers in one great stroke. Where the Filipinos went wrong is when they took like 20 mins to get in the bus. The Israelis have taken down bus hijackers a few times before, and it was over in a seconds.

IMHO snipers are the best way to handle such a situation.

solarz said:

Commendable as that sentiment is, especially from a HKer, I think it is rather misplaced in this instance. What happened in the Philippines, while tragic, was a criminal action, compounded by local law enforcement incompetence.

Never did the Philippine government intended to slight Hong Kong or China. In fact, they're going out of their way to apologize and promised to see justice done. The fact that private individuals in the Philippines did some very stupid and insensitive things should not be held against the nation as a whole.

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i think its getting ugly.
i also don't see much problem with the JC tweets and people are attacking him already. It's not like he is applauding the deaths of the hostages, he is simply pleading for calm and understanding. I'm afraid fenqing are everywhere.

i firmly believe the actions of an incompetent swat team does not warrant hate towards a whole nation and their people.

You may be embracing western culture. Most here in HK do not. We use western know-how.

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That's funny. Ask anybody here if I kow-tow to the West.

I am amused at your decades-old perception of how our relationship with others. Is there any misconceptions you want to talk about?

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Decades? Tourism from the mainland is a recent event.

As for being insulted, which part that I said constituting an insult to you? I would like to know. You said you dont like people being smug against their own people. I think the worst smug is the people who turn their heads away from their own people and left. Since your parents left China for a better life in king of your democracy, so I can assume you dont like your parents for smugging their own people. I myself dont see HKers are being smug or anything superior to others. And I dont see smug has anything to do with this case. Yet, some how you see being smug is a factor. I just want to tell you that leaving our people to rot in the worst of time is the worst kind of smug.

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Uhh where did I say you insulted me? Is this you making up some fake insult I was hurt by just so you can relish I was hurt by your insult? LOL!

Well then you must be in denial. Because there's always some ugly side of Hong Kong that surfaces every now and then. I've got a lot more where that came from.

How was my parents smuggling people? First I thought it was your lack of communcation and comprehension skills but it's just you'remaking stuff up. Love it when when people who argue with me have to start making stuff up to win an argument.

And suggesting you and your parents are smugger than Hkers are insult? Is it as insulting as those people calling 6.5 million Chinese being smug?

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What are you talking about?

Being living in the king of democracy (this is the first time I heard this term but it is entertaining one), you can surely lecture us about freedom and democracy. We chinese agree we have corruption and human right violation and all. We certainly hope one day our china can be called the king of the king of democracy. But dont you worry about our place?

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That's funny. Is this like reverse psychology. After I exposed the ugliness of Hong Kong it's hard to face the truth. So what do you do is switch the roles. Yeah Hong Kong doesn't have continuous protests against China in the name of democracy to which is used in propaganda against China. Notice you didn't comment on the Hong Kong nightclubs that discriminate against Chinese on their own land? Just like no dogs or Chinese allowed. Not decades ago but decades old.

Moreover, half of the hostage victims are Canadian and British. I dont know if these two countries are amongst your king of democracy. China is certainly not the king of democracy. I know enough to say that. But Chinese govt still wants justice for them even though you and others here who are from these western countries suggest we overreacted. Maybe the Canadian and British response so far is more appropriate. I clearly dont understand how westerners like you think. To us, they have once resided in Hong kong or china, they have used our tour service (yes, the victims probably been "forced purchase" as well) to Philippines. We see this as our duty to protect them and seek justice for them even though they chose other countries as the motherland. We Chinese (no matter we are from HK or any other Chinese city) are different from people who left us. We see responsibility and honor to fight for what we believe in. We may during this process complicate the grand strategy of SE Asia political issues. But this nation of ours sees our priority right and our government responds correctly.

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Well in Canada and Great Britain Chinese are a minority so there's this pressure to comform. But what's Hong Kong's excuse? Chinese are the majority and still there's this preferential treatment to the old colonial masters. That's just sad and not a sign of superiority.


I love how you say I'm looking at things decades old. The Macau-Zhuhai-Hong Kong Bridge reluctance was a recent event and showed how scared Hong Kong elitists thought they were going to become assimulated into being Chinese faster. The whole identity thing surfaced since the handover. That's where most of this was born from. Hong Kong elitists were afraid of becoming Chinese like everyone else in China. Again why was there all these drama queen tantrums over the handover if returning to the motherland was so great? Oh maybe I was imagining it. If Hong Kong was filled with patriots, why are all the democracy drama queens out in full force for any negative event happening in China? A couple years back during the Olympics year there was an incident that happen in China where innocent Chinese civilians were slaughtered on the streets. Was there anger in Hong Kong at the people who committed this dastardly deed like over this incident in Manila? No in fact there were protests against Bejing that supported these murderers that slaughtered innocent people.

And you're offended at me not being sympathetic to the Hong Kong elitists exploiting the incident in Manila? Do the mainland Chinese get to do what Hong Kongers want to be done to the Philippines but on the protestors in Hong Kong who defended the slaughter of innocent Chinese. Let's paint a broad brush on Hong Kongers too.

i think this thread is veering dangerously towards the sensitive social dynamics of the mainland and the former british colony and the complicated relationship between its people. maybe we should stick to the hostage tragedy topic.