51c conterversy

MIGleader said:

perhaps most of the money went to air defence, and after the plans air defence improves enough, money will be redirected to asw.

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agreed. I think for now PLAN relies on their submarines to provide some ASW coverage. For sure this isn't a watertide solution, but given the fact that the PLAN is getting more and more modern submarines with greater strike capabilities agains enemy submarines, I think the PLAN will do fine in normal combat environments.

typhuang, you bet it would. the ka-31 can serve as stop gap measure till then.
btw, you know how european helicopter companies are helping china design a new generation of nulti-role utility helicopters? can it be possible that the companies will also assist china in developing a model for naval missions?

MIGleader said:

typhuang, you bet it would. the ka-31 can serve as stop gap measure till then.
btw, you know how european helicopter companies are helping china design a new generation of nulti-role utility helicopters? can it be possible that the companies will also assist china in developing a model for naval missions?

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Yeah, ka-31 is definitely needed. As of now, we are pretty much relying on mk2 and y-8 to search for targets in the water.

I think it's not that hard to convert CMH, EC-120 or EC-175 into naval helicopter. That's basically what we did with Z-9. We started off with just the civilian version, now we have the attack version and ASW version. We just need more development in surface search radar and dipping sonar and such. Again, these are the things we can buy from the French or the Italians once the embargo get listed. I'm not sure about the performance of KLC-1, but Z-9C is still using HS-12 dipping sonar for ASW!!!! That is sad. We still do not have our own dipping sonar!

Some news posted in Chinese sites:

The first hull of 051C has been making trips to Yellow Sea a couple of times since Dec. 28, '05.

The first hull (115) is named Shenyang; the second hull (116) is named Shijiazhuang.

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according to CDF these pics were captured from ShiJiaZhuang TV station's news clip about the naming ceromony.

add to that, a few more photo. Again, this one is showing a helicopter on 116.

On a side note, 115 is named Shenyang and 116 is named ShijiaZhuang. Two cities in China.

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to clear some things up, the Z-9Cs are actually pretty new, all the originals are directly imported from France.

Speaking of ASW, why do many PLAN ships still use anti-submarine rockets? What good do they do anyway? Their range is only a bit more than 1km. By the time an enemy sub get THAT close to the ship it might as well be dead

in case some submarine runs out of torpedoes and tries to ram your ship
well, anti submairne rockets are like the CIWS of under sea ware fare. many ships have CIWs, yet an airplane would never fly that close to your ship. perhaps these rockets are a last ditch defence weapon. there better than nothing.

The 051C classes are assigned to the North Sea Fleet, right? By why not assign them to South Sea Fleet, since Taiwan's Navy has just acquired two Kidd DDGs?