51c conterversy

Gollevainen · Dec 28, 2005

well dont mind dongfeng about it...

ask yourself, were are the aft SAMs...hmmm could they be in that big helo-hanger size superstructure?? and if the missiles are in there, do you think your two z-9s find room there?

swimmerXC · Dec 28, 2005

Gollevainen said:
well dont mind dongfeng about it...

ask yourself, were are the aft SAMs...hmmm could they be in that big helo-hanger size superstructure?? and if the missiles are in there, do you think your two z-9s find room there?

It's like the first version of the Burkes.. they can get helicopters to land but don't have hanger; it's probably used for replenishment and emergancy; the FFG 054, DDG 52B and 52C can hold the helos for it, I guess?

Sczepan · Dec 28, 2005

MIGleader said:
adeptitus, what do you mean no helicopter hanger/ from the pics weve seen, theres clearly a large helicopter hanger, capable of holding at least two z-9s. ill contact donfeng about it.

take a look to

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....Like the DDG-51, the Type 051C has no helicopter hanger to carry its own shipborne helicopter. Eight anti-ship missiles instead of 16 found on other Chinese-built destroyers are installed at midship due to the limited space......

Dongfeng is right, the Type 051 C and DDG-051 B (LUHAI CLASS) MISSILE DESTROYER

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are very similar;
the missing of an helo-hangar is very intersting. What to do, if the range of the ship's surface-to-surface missile or the air defence missles will become more than the ships radar horizon (which is up to 150 km)?
They need helos at this time, or planes, transportet by other ships ...

tphuang · Dec 29, 2005

well, we've certainly have picture of the second 051C now. The kanwa article below states that 051C has the hangar. I think a previous kanwa article also stated this.

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as for number wise, I'd think 2 is the maximum since we only bought 2 sets of Rif-M. China is likely to build DDGs in pairs until it final finds a configuration it likes.

Gollevainen · Dec 30, 2005

Well i would assume Pinkov to be a familar with shipdesings at least in that extent that he can figure out that missilesilos and helos just dont fit to that same compartment.

Dongfeng · Dec 30, 2005

Wel, when it comes to the Russian-built weapon systems for China, I trust the reports of Pinkov, simply because he has huge contacts within the Russian military and defence industry.

Gollevainen · Dec 30, 2005

yes but pistures of 051c dont lie, there is simply no room for helicopters...
many 'experts' have made too weird asumptions of expecially chinese equipment, like many high standard publication still lists Shenzhen with gas turbines and e.q...

tphuang · Dec 30, 2005

Well, I normally refer to this diagram

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I'm not an expert of this by any meaning, but there looks to be enough space at the end for one helicopter. (maybe Z-9 instead of ka-28?).

Gollevainen · Dec 30, 2005

No no no no...in where? maybe if they dismatle the helicopter into suitcase size modules, maybe then it migth fit, but trust me, those missiles take all space in the aft superstructure...its so evident of that pic so whats the proplem...

Su-34 · Dec 30, 2005

051C is not intended to carry helicopters. Their role is to escort a future PLAN Carrier Group or a Fleet Task Force comprising of nuclear and non-nuclear subs, as well as frigates and destroyers of other classes. However, the 052C and other future PLAN Destroyer classes WILL carry helicopters. With 051C escorting PLAN subs, any P3-C Orion within range of 051C's Rif-M SAMs will be shot down easily, so that the Orions will no longer threaten PLAN subs.

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