51c conterversy

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Mr_C

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Su-34 said:
The 051C classes are assigned to the North Sea Fleet, right? By why not assign them to South Sea Fleet, since Taiwan's Navy has just acquired two Kidd DDGs?
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Balance development of all 3 fleets and Japan is to the North East.
 
Wingman

Wingman

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Plus if you concentrate too much of your fleet near Taiwan it's going to cause a lot of political friction which should be saved for later.
 
MIGleader

MIGleader

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Su-34 said:
The 051C classes are assigned to the North Sea Fleet, right? By why not assign them to South Sea Fleet, since Taiwan's Navy has just acquired two Kidd DDGs?
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the plan beilives in equal development of the three fleets.
the south already got 167-171, making it the most advanced.
the east gets the sovs and 54s
the north only has 133 and 112, not very impressive for flagships. so new vessels are needed.
 
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Sczepan

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MIGleader said:
(Dec. 28, 2005) thank u very much for the pic, sczepan. its good confirmation for two 51cs.i dont think it looks ps at all.
if a 51c is indeed a 51b hull, how did the chinese hide it for so long? it was 5 years since 167 was completed that the first 51c began building.
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well, I think the Type 051B (NATO codename: Luhai class) 167 was tested very intensive (including the diesel propulsion systeme) and at least in April 2002 (see the order of S-300 F complexes at this time) the PLAN decided to build 2 more of this vessels (interesting coincide: the Varjag sails into Chinese waters at Feb. 2002 ...)

and about the two ships: we should know it before ....
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... In early April (April 4, by some data), Rosoboronexport (the Russian weapons export monopoly) signed a contract to sell two S-300F ship-borne anti-aircraft complexes to China for $200 million. ....

The S-300F complex is a ship-borne replica of the S-300 anti-aircraft complexes. Beijing plans to install the RIF complexes (the name of the export version of the S-300F) on two warships that will be built in China by 2005. An expert from the Russian Air Force said that the S-300F complexes would be installed by China on cruisers designed by Chinese specialists.

In addition to this contract, Almaz-Antei will receive a contract to build the S-300 anti-aircraft complexes for China ($400 million). As a result, the total sum of its contracts will increase to $600 million.
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4/4/2002: CHINA ORDERS S-300F NAVAL LONG-RANGE AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM
On 4 April 2002 the government of China signed a contract with Rosoboroneksport for the delivery of two S-300F [NATO designation SA-N-6 'Grumble'] naval long-range air defense systems. The value of the contract is estimated at over $200 million. According to Konstantin Makiyenko, an analyst in the Moscow office of the Center for Defense Information, the purchase of the S-300F is evidence of a shift in Russo-Chinese defense cooperation away from the purchase of entire platforms and towards key subsystems that would be integrated into Chinese-designed and built platforms, such as combat aircraft and warships. The execution of the contract may be delayed due to the merger of S-300F's producer, Altair, into the Almaz-Antey air defense concern. Due to the ongoing merger Rosoboroneksport has not yet signed a contract with Altair.
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these two S-300 F naval long-range air defence systems was ordered on two warships that will be built in China by 2005 ...
now they are installed at the 051 C destroyers, as I know,
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(Type 052C (Lanzhou class) air defence missile destroyers has vertically launched HQ-9 air defence missile system
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DPRKPTboat

DPRKPTboat

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From what sinodefence.com is telling me, China is building 2 of these. Sorry for stating the obvious, but i'm new here. Does anyone have anyone have any idea when work started on the second one? The first one is expected to be in service bu mid-2006. If we knew when construction began on the second one, then work out how long it took tog et the first one ready, then we might get the idea when shijiazing will enter service.
 
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vincelee

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from the state of out fitting shown in various picture, you should probably expect the second one to enter trials about 6 months after the first. Maybe less.
 
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DPRKPTboat said:
From what sinodefence.com is telling me, China is building 2 of these. Sorry for stating the obvious, but i'm new here. Does anyone have anyone have any idea when work started on the second one? The first one is expected to be in service bu mid-2006. If we knew when construction began on the second one, then work out how long it took tog et the first one ready, then we might get the idea when shijiazing will enter service.
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a while back, they were saying that 115 is 90% complete and 116 is 50% complete. The second 051C should be completed soon after the first one is.
 
renmin

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Wait a second. I thought the numbers "115" was painted on the 051C already. How come on the picture in the first page, the numbers 115 arnt there? Can someone fill me in?
 
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