2023 Pakistan Civil Unrest

Dalit

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The Chinese were angry at the time, IK did alienate key allies and had at that point lost the confidence of the establishment, who stopped propping up his coalition government.

Imran Khan was renegotiating certain CPEC projects which his government at the time felt were signed in a hastily fashion. The PTI government argued that certain projects weren't favorable from a Pakistani perspective. I agree that Imran Khan should have approached this more intelligently. Instead he went in with a stubborn attitude. Nevertheless, Imran Khan's government did reserve the right to approach China and renegotiate the terms.
 

Dalit

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Your love for IK is blinding you to the obvious, the establishment has defied America in key areas and has withstood massive pressure and threats from (at the time) lone superpower and all its allies.

Afghan policy, the US tried every pressure tactic to force Pakistan to change its policy, and it didn't.

Nuclear program, massive threats from the US and its allies.

China, the US tried to break relations, but the establishment was quietly pushing the politicians to grow the alliance, to this stage where all the major systems barring a few legacy systems will be Chinese and Turkish.

I have no love for anyone. I also criticise Imran Khan for bad policies. I view things objectively. Facts are facts. The Pakistani military has played a good bad cop routine for far too long. Also the Pakistani military has a hand in political engineering. The Pakistani military has no role in politics. The military also needs to realise that it cannot continue to claim a major part of the budget.

It is time for the generals to stop interfering in political matters. The country can only prosper if the political entities are allowed to run their affairs.

I am sure the military has done good things. Although good is negated due to blatant political meddling.
 

aahyan

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Imran Khan was renegotiating certain CPEC projects which his government at the time felt were signed in a hastily fashion. The PTI government argued that certain projects weren't favorable from a Pakistani perspective. I agree that Imran Khan should have approached this more intelligently. Instead he went in with a stubborn attitude. Nevertheless, Imran Khan's government did reserve the right to approach China and renegotiate the terms

The only reason for renegotiation was malpractices (corruption) involved in majority of projects for example Orange line metro in lahore.
 

aahyan

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I have no love for anyone. I also criticise Imran Khan for bad policies. I view things objectively. Facts are facts. The Pakistani military has played a good bad cop routine for far too long. Also the Pakistani military has a hand in political engineering. The Pakistani military has no role in politics. The military also needs to realise that it cannot continue to claim a major part of the budget.

It is time for the generals to stop interfering in political matters. The country can only prosper if the political entities are allowed to run their affairs.

I am sure the military has done good things. Although good is negated due to blatant political meddling.

The fundamental issue is that, with the exception of Imran Khan, who was imprisoned, our establishment has corrupted the whole social circle, including the majority of the political class.
 

Rafi

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The only reason for renegotiation was malpractices (corruption) involved in majority of projects for example Orange line metro in lahore.

He was directly accusing the CPC officials of kickbacks and corruption including close allies of President Xi, and also the OIC, Saudi debacle.
 

Dalit

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The fundamental issue is that, with the exception of Imran Khan, who was imprisoned, our establishment has corrupted the whole social circle, including the majority of the political class.

Let's call a spade a spade. The generals have a hand in political meddling. Yes, the generals are also corrupt like the rest. These people are disconnected with the ordinary Pakistanis. They live in their clean gated communities. The generals are running businesses. This doesn't fit the description of a military institute. Big changes are required.
 

aahyan

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Let's call a spade a spade. The generals have a hand in political meddling. Yes, the generals are also corrupt like the rest. These people are disconnected with the ordinary Pakistanis. They live in their clean gated communities. The generals are running businesses. This doesn't fit the description of a military institute. Big changes are required.

Everyone is aware of this, but who will take action? Our judiciary is compromised, our political class is cosy with these generals, and the media is also compromised. As a result, military establishment needs a significant amount of revolt within.
 

Rafi

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Let's call a spade a spade. The generals have a hand in political meddling. Yes, the generals are also corrupt like the rest. These people are disconnected with the ordinary Pakistanis. They live in their clean gated communities. The generals are running businesses. This doesn't fit the description of a military institute. Big changes are required.

IK was corrupt and a loose cannon, good riddance to a bad situation
 

Rafi

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Everyone is aware of this, but who will take action? Our judiciary is compromised, our political class is cosy with these generals, and the media is also compromised. As a result, military establishment needs a significant amount of revolt within.

Never going to happen zero chance of that happening, IK will never have the backing of the establishment again. And those praying for civil war, (which will happen if there is a revolt within) will be sorely disappointed, as the chain of command will remain intact.
 
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