2023 Pakistan Civil Unrest

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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I wish China could do more to engineer elite capture like US could. There were already scholarship program for bright African people, but we need more. There also needs to be ways for show China is safe to store their wealth. Recent confistication of Russian wealth is a good ads.
Ideally elites should store their wealth in their own countries. Countries should adopt Chinese style capital control and anti-corruption campaigns.
 

aahyan

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You sound like a naive teenager, of course IK is just a person, and an institution like the PA can last forever because people grow old and die l and institutions can live for hundreds of years.

The only way the establishment political role can be taken away is gradually like Erdogan did, over many years of economic growth, and slow political reform.

And all countries have deep states, IK could have never come to power without their help, he lost their support and due to his actions will probably never receive it again, unless he changes his ways.

Yes, every country has a deep state, but none of them are as corrupt as ours, running businesses that seize land all over the country for real estate projects (please refer to post #59 for more information on their commercial activities). IK is just one example of the numerous political engineering projects our military establishment has undertaken since the founding of Pakistan. They select political figures and then remove them from office; none of our prime ministers served out the full five years of their terms (Modi selected four COAS while in office, whereas the COAS in Pakistan replaced four prime ministers while in office). The reason is that they don't want any political figure to receive popular support once more, and they prevented any political party from enjoying widespread support in the nation.

IK and his party are an exception in this regard, mostly due to his personal standing and the intrigue that led to his failure as the first Pakistani to oppose the military establishment since the Bangladesh catastrophe.

No one denies the existence of deep states, but instead engages in political engineering, coercing the judiciary to provide decisions in their favor, dominating the media for corrupt posturing, abusing the bureaucracy and the police, and most importantly, internal corruption.

Don't try to turn the conversation into an IK-centric one, as I stated earlier; we are talking about the wrongdoings and corruption of our military system.
 
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aahyan

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Ideally elites should store their wealth in their own countries. Countries should adopt Chinese style capital control and anti-corruption campaigns.

The dilemma is that if those (deep estate) who intended to control above are all actively involved in the same from head to toe, who will carry it out?
 

TK3600

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Ideally elites should store their wealth in their own countries. Countries should adopt Chinese style capital control and anti-corruption campaigns.
There will always be corruption. If they are not storing in own country, they need to pick some country. Let it be China not US.
 

sequ

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I'm appalled by the lack of reaction from the supporters of supposedly the most popular political party in Pakistan. With 220 million people they could've at least mobilized a few million people to hit the streets but at most PTI managed to get several 10's of thousands out on the streets.

What is reason behind this?
 

aahyan

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I'm appaled by the lack of reaction from the supporters of supposedly the most popular political party in Pakistan. With 220 million people they could've at least mobilized a few million people to hit the streets but at most PTI managed to get several 10's of thousands out on the streets.

What is reason behind this?

The way of Salvation. Even though we gained independence from the UK in 1947, we quickly turned into salves for our military establishment. Here is an example:

"Trainers kept baby elephants bound from the beginning in the same chain that is difficult for him to break and stays in that chain for the rest of his life, even if in adulthood he can easily break this chain, but from the beginning he gets an impression that this chain is difficult that he can't break."

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Due to the aforementioned reason, as well as the fact that poverty and illiteracy are the primary causes of that salvaory, the general public is unable to break that chain.
 
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Rafi

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Yes, every country has a deep state, but none of them are as corrupt as ours, running businesses that seize land all over the country for real estate projects (please refer to post #59 for more information on their commercial activities). IK is just one example of the numerous political engineering projects our military establishment has undertaken since the founding of Pakistan. They select political figures and then remove them from office; none of our prime ministers served out the full five years of their terms (Modi selected four COAS while in office, whereas the COAS in Pakistan replaced four prime ministers while in office). The reason is that they don't want any political figure to receive popular support once more, and they prevented any political party from enjoying widespread support in the nation.

IK and his party are an exception in this regard, mostly due to his personal standing and the intrigue that led to his failure as the first Pakistani to oppose the military establishment since the Bangladesh catastrophe.

No one denies the existence of deep states, but instead engages in political engineering, coercing the judiciary to provide decisions in their favor, dominating the media for corrupt posturing, abusing the bureaucracy and the police, and most importantly, internal corruption.

Don't try to turn the conversation into an IK-centric one, as I stated earlier; we are talking about the wrongdoings and corruption of our military system.

No ik was the problem he got found out, end or story, and I'm glad the PA is there to stop NS and AAZ and IK from becoming absolute rulers like modi and the Bangladeshi PM.
 

aahyan

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No ik was the problem he got found out, end or story, and I'm glad the PA is there to stop NS and AAZ and IK from becoming absolute rulers like modi and the Bangladeshi PM.

The story is not yet over since, you are not representing the mases point of view, as I already stated, I'm relaying what the people of Pakistan thinks.

Recent surveys on Twitter and YouTube included 320k and 170k participants (about a half million people), and the results are obvious.

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aahyan

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No ik was the problem he got found out, end or story, and I'm glad the PA is there to stop NS and AAZ and IK from becoming absolute rulers like modi and the Bangladeshi PM.

We would appreciate your perspective on why you keep bringing up IK while we are talking about the corruption and wrongdoings in our military institution.

Please don't attempt to derail the conversation from the topic at hand, which is Pakistan's military establishment's corruption and misdeeds.
 

Rafi

Junior Member
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I'm appalled by the lack of reaction from the supporters of supposedly the most popular political party in Pakistan. With 220 million people they could've at least mobilized a few million people to hit the streets but at most PTI managed to get several 10's of thousands out on the streets.

What is reason behind this?
He is not that popular, only on social media and with overseas Pakistani in US, Canada and UK.
 
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