2023 Pakistan Civil Unrest

aahyan

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Erdogan is not a good leader but there are things he did well. For example, he stopped the military from being a political actor. A military should stay as a military. When it becomes a decision maker, everything starts to suck.

A perfect example is Pakistan...
 

Dalit

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76 years of independence and what do these military men have to show even after thinking of themselves as superior beings and embarrassing themselves and Pakistanis on the global stage?

A debt-ridden dysfunctional economy and every national ministry/institution rotted with nepotism and filled with duffers that make bad decision after bad decision. They have not a learned a single positive thing from their "brotherly" countries.

Every year this country's condition worsens, while other nations continue to grow. Soon Pakistan will be nothing in comparison to its adversaries that are learning from their mistakes and toxicity.

This is the worst military junta in history, when it could've made Pakistan into a regional power and globally respected.

Our incompetent establishment should look towards Turkey/China and Japan of how to administrate a country.

We label them brotherly countries, allies, what not, but can not learn a single positive thing from them behind success, their institutions are very powerful and competent, meritocracy is thriving and very nationalistic and motivated people.

Meanwhile in Pakistan they are the most unqualified people you could imagine just draining resources and doing even worse job than a school kid could do.

Pakistan should have truly propelled with a neighbouring friend like China. Instead the elites have also used Chinese help as a bargaining chip with the US. Pakistani military and political elite is immature and even foul to a certain extent. I fear the day when China also says enough is enough. Pakistan will be all alone.
 

Dalit

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Read all the businesses Pakistani Army running around Pakistan

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The projects/units being run by the AWT (Army Welfare Trust) are:

Two stud farms in Pakpattan and Okara
Army Welfare Sugar Mills, Badin
Askari Project (shoe and woollen), Lahore
Army Welfare Mess and Blue Lagoon Restaurant, Rawalpindi
Real estate comprising three small housing schemes in Lahore, Badaber and Sangjani
Askari General Insurance Co Ltd Rawalpindi
Askari Aviation Services, Rawalpindi
MAL Pakistan Ltd Karachi
Askari Guards (Pvt) Ltd, head office (HO) in Rawalpindi
Askari Fuels (CNG) with HO in Rawalpindi
Askari Seeds, Okara
Askari Enterprises, Rawalpindi
Fauji Security Services (acquired from Fauji Foundation), HO in Rawalpindi
Askari Apparel, Lahore
Askari Lagoon, Faisalabad.
The projects/units under Fauji Foundation are:

Fauji Cereals
Foundation Gas
Fauji Fertiliser Company Ltd
Fauji Cement Co Ltd
Fauji Oil Terminal and Distillery Co Ltd
Fauji Kabirwala Power Company Ltd
Foundation Power Co (Dharki) Ltd
Askari Cement Ltd
Askari Bank Ltd
Foundation Wind Energy (I and II) Ltd
Noon Pakistan Ltd Lahore
Fauji Meat Ltd
Fauji Fertiliser Bin Qasim Ltd
Fauji Akbar Partia Marine Terminal Ltd, HO in Karachi.


Similarly, the projects, units and housing colonies under the administrative control of Shaheen Foundation, which is a trust of the Pakistan Air Force, are:

Shaheen Airport Services
Shaheen Aerotraders
Shaheen Knitwear
Shaheen Complex, Karachi
Shaheen Complex, Lahore
Shaheen Medical Services
Hawk Advertising
Fazaia Welfare Education School System
SAPS Aviation College
Air Eagle Aviation Academy
Shaheen Welfare Housing Scheme, Peshawar.

It is mindnumbing. This is a classic example of conflict of interest. The Pakistani army looks like a semi military and commercial entity.
 

aahyan

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Pakistan should have truly propelled with a neighbouring friend like China. Instead the elites have also used Chinese help as a bargaining chip with the US. Pakistani military and political elite is immature and even foul to a certain extent. I fear the day when China also says enough is enough. Pakistan will be all alone.

Given the strategic alliance between the US and India, China is not in a position to lose Pakistan, which our military establishment is well aware of and is playing a dirty game with both the US and China, similar to what they did in the 1980s with the US and CIA in the Afghanistan.
 

Dalit

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76 years of independence and what do these military men have to show even after thinking of themselves as superior beings and embarrassing themselves and Pakistanis on the global stage?

A debt-ridden dysfunctional economy and every national ministry/institution rotted with nepotism and filled with duffers that make bad decision after bad decision. They have not a learned a single positive thing from their "brotherly" countries.

Every year this country's condition worsens, while other nations continue to grow. Soon Pakistan will be nothing in comparison to its adversaries that are learning from their mistakes and toxicity.

This is the worst military junta in history, when it could've made Pakistan into a regional power and globally respected.

Our incompetent establishment should look towards Turkey/China and Japan of how to administrate a country.

We label them brotherly countries, allies, what not, but can not learn a single positive thing from them behind success, their institutions are very powerful and competent, meritocracy is thriving and very nationalistic and motivated people.

Meanwhile in Pakistan they are the most unqualified people you could imagine just draining resources and doing even worse job than a school kid could do.

The military along with the political elites have become a major liability in Pakistan. There is no doubt that the military and political elite have damaged Pakistan over the decades. Completely mismanaged and abused the state for personal gain. The Pakistani people are also incapable of holding these powerful groups accountable.

China won't agitate the military and political elite. China has a policy of non-interference. I know that China provides invaluable advice to the power brokers in Pakistan. Unfortunately these power brokers are too stubborn and immature. Let's see how things evolve, but things look bleak for Pakistan.
 

Dalit

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Given the strategic alliance between the US and India, China is not in a position to lose Pakistan, which our military establishment is well aware of and is playing a dirty game with both the US and China, similar to what they did in the 1980s with the US and CIA in the Afghanistan.

It is going to backfire eventually. Like so many policies of the elite have backfired in the past. India is very good in appeasing all sides. India has mature and seasoned policymakers. Pakistani elites are the opposite. Instead of reaping benefits from all sides we are good at destroying relations.

Despite US claims that Pakistan is an important ally, the Americans have zero interest in Pakistan. It is common knowledge that India is US main partner against China. The goal ia to contain China. The only interest the US has in Pakistan is to keep it away from the Chinese orbit. The other plan is to transform Pakistan into an Indian satellite state. The US has no other interest with regards to Pakistan.

China wants to hold Pakistan by the hand and develop all sectors. Pakistan hasn't reciprocated in the same way. China will keep trying, but there comes a time when patience runs out.
 

aahyan

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It is going to backfire eventually. Like so many policies of the elite have backfired in the past. India is very good in appeasing all sides. India has mature and seasoned policymakers. Pakistani elites are the opposite. Instead of reaping benefits from all sides we are good at destroying relations.

Despite US claims that Pakistan is an important ally, the Americans have zero interest in Pakistan. It is common knowledge that India is US main partner against China. The goal ia to contain China. The only interest the US has in Pakistan is to keep it away from the Chinese orbit. The other plan is to transform Pakistan into an Indian satellite state. The US has no other interest with regards to Pakistan.

China wants to hold Pakistan by the hand and develop all sectors. Pakistan hasn't reciprocated in the same way. China will keep trying, but there comes a time when patience runs out.

Well, that's already happened. Our establishment has already given up, and the ex-COAS (Bajwa) publicly admitted this in front of their pitiful journalists. Operation "Swift Retort" was the brainchild of PAF, and it would not have been possible without the backing of the political government in power at the time (IK) and It would not be conceivable if there was another tainted government..
 
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Dalit

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Well, that's already happened. Our establishment has already given up, and the ex-COAS (Bajwa) publicly admitted this in front of their pitiful journalists. Operation "Swift Retort" was the brainchild of PAF, and it would not have been possible without the backing of the political government in power at the time (IK) and It would not be conceivable if there was another tainted government..

It has happened to a certain degree. Remember that the US has a huge interest in patching up Pakistan with India. The US has every stake in transforming Pakistan into a minion of India. The US is fully in bed with India. The US fulfils all Indian requests. It is no secret that India has a dream to integrate Kashmir and other strategic regions of Pakistan. With CPEC and the defence cooperation between China and Pakistan out of the way the US can finally fully focus on destabilising China. US and Indian interests align and there is a solid understanding between both sides.

The same can be said for Pakistani and Chinese interests. Our interests absolutely align. The only problem is the lack of resolve from the Pakistani side. The military seeks a so-called balanced policy. It won't work in the current environment. Pakistan requires a firm commitment with China. Just like India and the US have an unwavering alliance. The Pakistani generals are playing both sides. Something the Pakistani military is often accused of doing. This is a very wrong and damaging approach.
 

Rafi

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Come on..... He didn't dispute CPEC; rather, he questioned our corrupt elites' kickbacks and commissions on various projects (politicians and the military establishment), which the Chinese government also found to be reprehensible and for which some people were arrested there.

The Chinese were angry at the time, IK did alienate key allies and had at that point lost the confidence of the establishment, who stopped propping up his coalition government.
 

Rafi

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It has happened to a certain degree. Remember that the US has a huge interest in patching up Pakistan with India. The US has every stake in transforming Pakistan into a minion of India. The US is fully in bed with India. The US fulfils all Indian requests. It is no secret that India has a dream to integrate Kashmir and other strategic regions of Pakistan. With CPEC and the defence cooperation between China and Pakistan out of the way the US can finally fully focus on destabilising China. US and Indian interests align.

The same can be said for Pakistani and Chinese interests. Our interests absolutely align. The only problem is the lack of resolve from the Pakistani side. The military seeks a so-called balanced policy. It won't work in the current environment. Pakistan requires a firm commitment with China. Just like India and the US have an unwavering alliance. The Pakistani generals are playing bith sides. That is a very wrong and damaging approach.

Your love for IK is blinding you to the obvious, the establishment has defied America in key areas and has withstood massive pressure and threats from (at the time) lone superpower and all its allies.

Afghan policy, the US tried every pressure tactic to force Pakistan to change its policy, and it didn't.

Nuclear program, massive threats from the US and its allies.

China, the US tried to break relations, but the establishment was quietly pushing the politicians to grow the alliance, to this stage where all the major systems barring a few legacy systems will be Chinese and Turkish.
 
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