2022 Olympic Winter Games Beijing

solarz said:

Hate to disagree with you, but according to that logic, people can just move to China, and if they act sufficiently Chinese, then they should get a Chinese citizenship.

That's not how it works, is it though?

There was a real move toward recognizing dual citizenship some 15 years ago, but unfortunately it was scuttled by the increasingly hostile attitude of Western countries against China.

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The definition of Chinese varies.

Is it cultural?
Is it geographical?
Is it racial?
Note religion isn't a big factor.

Being Chinese is kind of like saying you're a Westerner. As in from Western Civilisation.

What seems to have happened throughout history is that the definition of Chinese expands when time are good and China is confident.
And when times are bad, it shrinks back to a core racial and geographical area.

But nowadays, China itself is becoming more homogenous as minorities are being assimilated into mainstream Han culture.
So the definition of a Chinese citizen is mostly geographical as race/culture are becoming less of an issue.

And in the future, I think China will be confident enough to accept naturalised immigrants, knowing that they will end up adopting Chinese culture. I think Singapore has a very good model (the world's best?) for immigration, naturalisation and assimilation.

SanWenYu said:

It was the debut of the Chinese men's ice hockey team today. Unfortunately they scored nothing.

Facing the US team, the Chinese team was outgunned by 29 to 56 shots on goal. They lost the first period by 0 to 1 in score. In the second period the deficit increased to 0 to 4, then 0 to 8 after the third period. The Chinese players are not at the same level as the Americans.

The guancha story headline says "The Chinese team played a good first period":

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Apparently there is also some fights went down as well


One of the comments: 球可以输，打架不能输！It's alright to lose the game, just not the fight!

AndrewS said:

The definition of Chinese varies.

Is it cultural?
Is it geographical?
Is it racial?
Note religion isn't a big factor.

Being Chinese is kind of like saying you're a Westerner. As in from Western Civilisation.

What seems to have happened throughout history is that the definition of Chinese expands when time are good and China is confident.
And when times are bad, it shrinks back to a core racial and geographical area.

But nowadays, China itself is becoming more homogenous as minorities are being assimilated into mainstream Han culture.
So the definition of a Chinese citizen is mostly geographical as race/culture are becoming less of an issue.

And in the future, I think China will be confident enough to accept naturalised immigrants, knowing that they will end up adopting Chinese culture. I think Singapore has a very good model (the world's best?) for immigration, naturalisation and assimilation.

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We are definitely going off topic on this one, and this topic has been discussed to death in the demographics thread and in the past. If I remember correctly, the general consensus was: No, the Chinese won’t be accepting “naturalized” immigrants any time soon and perhaps not even in the future. If you all want to discuss it, please do so in a different thread.

daifo said:

I think everyone (especially chinese propaganda department) is giving Ailing Gu too much attention unless they are just rubbing it in now while the rubbing is good and will forget about it in a few years, it will look silly when she decides to keep her us citizenship AND compete for the US in 4 years.

In a way, I feel like it is still somewhat western worshipping because besides her name/speaking mandarin, she seems mostly western.. ie lifestyle, appearance , etc. It seems like they are promoting her more than the other males that medaled.

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My wife gave up her US citizenship few years back for tax purposes. There is actually a website where IRS publishes a list of people renouncing US citizenship every quarter.


Just go and search for individuals who have chosen to expatriate.

If you have time, you can check whether Ailing Gu gave up her citizenship or not.

Bellum_Romanum said:

Bro that's unfair to Chloe Kim. She feels and want to be American and that shouldn't be held against her or to any other Americans that are of Asian background. Let them carve their own journey of maybe one day, some day recognizing their Asian heritage with pride rather than derision, guilt, and embarrassment that are far too often feel by many Asians in the west.

Also, Chloe Kim went to Princeton so not too shabby.

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ironborn said:

Apparently there is also some fights went down as well

One of the comments: 球可以输，打架不能输！It's alright to lose the game, just not the fight!

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Fighting in hockey games happens all the time lol. I think the Russian team got into a fight with the Swiss (iirc?) as well.

Century2030 said:

Fighting in hockey games happens all the time lol. I think the Russian team got into a fight with the Swiss (iirc?) as well.

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Wish India had a ice hockey team so China could get into fisticuffs with them.

Don't think India is gonna get an ice hockey team in 200 years though.

SanWenYu said:

It was the debut of the Chinese men's ice hockey team today. Unfortunately they scored nothing.

Facing the US team, the Chinese team was outgunned by 29 to 56 shots on goal. They lost the first period by 0 to 1 in score. In the second period the deficit increased to 0 to 4, then 0 to 8 after the third period. The Chinese players are not at the same level as the Americans.

The guancha story headline says "The Chinese team played a good first period":

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As someone from Canada and a fellow hockey player, most Canadian comments (removing the politics) are pleasantly surprised at the result. Realistically, Canadian spectators were expecting something closer to 0-15 or 0-20, so 0-8 is actually above expectations.

However its important to know that this was not the A team, or even B or C team the US fielded. Basically Canada and US are in this Olympics with their hands behind their backs because the NHL is not sending players, as Omicron has already battered the NHL season. Had an NHL level team been sent, there was no way China would have held America to single digits.

Russia actually has a good chance this time, mostly because as a result of the NHL decision, 2 top peers are knocked out as well as some Scandinavian powerhouses since the majority of thier top players are also in the NHL.

China's future in men's hockey however is actually quite promising (vs soccer), if the government decides to invest wisely. This is because China also has a Beijing team in Russia's Kontinental Hockey League, which is widely considered the second strongest hockey league in the world after the NHL. KHL has decent levels of funding and viewership, and includes other hockey powers like Latvia and Finland. If China can get a reasonable number of other teams (ie.4-5) established in the KHL, there would result a reasonable feeder system to get home-grown talent up to global levels.

The issue right now is that the majority of China's players are passport Canadians, which if you consider the low portion of Chinese Canadians in Canada who play hockey, means they are drawing half the team from a population of probably under 200,000 people. Funnelling domestic talent through Russia's KHL is an absolutely doable and safe olympic strategy. While overall teams in NHL are still much stronger than KHL, at the individual level there are NHL players who sometimes join the KHL and some top KHL players also end up in the NHL.

xypher said:

The behavior of Koreans makes them such sore losers. That's what happens when you overdose on nationalism while compensating for the inferiority complex.

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The average South Korean nationalist exhibit extreme cognitive dissonance.

In real life in college, this Korean guy proudly bragged that he skipped South Korean mandatory conscription because he became US citizen (Yay!), then proceed to shit on China for backing North Korea. I straight up told this Korean guy that if China really wanted to, it could conquer all of Korean peninsula. He said: "No! You can't say that about My Country" but then went silent when he realized he was American citizen who proudly skipped SK military.

You see, South Korean mind is flexible, they cherry-pick the best aspects of whatever society they like, and when things don't match their worldview, they become "sore losers" with a massive inferiority complex. If China became rich and strong enough to SLAP Korea in the face so it know it's place in the world, the Koreans would overnight become the most pro-China and anti-American country that ever existed on earth. They just need a role model to prove that is possible that Asians can be independently strong and powerful.

Crang said:

Wish India had a ice hockey team so China could get into fisticuffs with them.

Don't think India is gonna get an ice hockey team in 200 years though.

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Since the number on each side is even it will be an even worse beating than the one they received at Galwan.