09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[Iron Man]

Hendrik, let me be absolutely clear. I will dumb it down as much as I humanly can. I think it is POSSIBLE that the PLAN will install rim drive on its next nuclear sub (small possibility IMO, but still possible). If not the 095, then maybe 096. If not 096, then almost certainly 097 will have it.

HOWEVER, Admiral Ma made NO COMMENTS AT ALL about whether rim drive is going to be on the next nuclear sub. Your article claimed that he made such a statement. I corrected this article by saying that Ma made no such statement. And if you watch the video, it is absolutely clear that he made no such statement. He did not confirm, he did not deny. He said NOTHING about rim drive. Cappici?

 

[Blitzo]

I live in english speaking country for 40 years!

Then your English is either worse than you believe it is, or your attention to detail is worse than you believe it is, or worse.


You have a tendency to see suggestions or statements against your position as taking the most extreme end of the spectrum. For this topic, over months and months you have gotten into many discussions with multiple people about the rimdrive situation, with many people telling you that Rear Admiral Ma did not say anything about rimdrives in his interview, and you are interpreting those statements as believing that they are saying they believe there is zero possibility of the future nuclear submarine using a rimdrive.

Please take a step back and read people's replies more carefully.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Hendrik, let me be absolutely clear. I will dumb it down as much as I humanly can. I think it is POSSIBLE that the PLAN will install rim drive on its next nuclear sub (small possibility IMO, but still possible). If not the 095, then maybe 096. If not 096, then almost certainly 097 will have it.

HOWEVER, Admiral Ma made NO COMMENTS AT ALL about whether rim drive is going to be on the next nuclear sub. Your article claimed that he made such a statement. I corrected this article by saying that Ma made no such statement. And if you watch the video, it is absolutely clear that he made no such statement. He did not confirm, he did not deny. He said NOTHING about rim drive. Cappici?

If that is the case why should he has a shrouded propeller picture next to him You know this kind of video is highly choreograph and meant to send message
This is video after all . Anybody can edit the soundtrack with no problem Or cut section of the interview
I am not defending GT But don't take it on me Go complain to GT

 

[Iron Man]

If that is the case why should he has a shrouded propeller picture next to him You know this kind of video is highly choreograph and meant to send message
This is video after all . Anybody can edit the soundtrack with no problem Or cut section of the interview
I am not defending GT But don't take it on me Go complain to GT

Dear God. So you are now changing the goalposts YET AGAIN. First you fight tooth and nail when I said that Ma made no statement about rim drive. NOW you are trying to twist the discussion into "well maybe he didn't SAY anything about rim drive, but he IMPLIED a lot! " LOL maybe he even winked at the reporter and gave him a secret smile while glancing over at the display, yes? ROFLMAO

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Then your English is either worse than you believe it is, or your attention to detail is worse than you believe it is, or worse.


You have a tendency to see suggestions or statements against your position as taking the most extreme end of the spectrum. For this topic, over months and months you have gotten into many discussions with multiple people about the rimdrive situation, with many people telling you that Rear Admiral Ma did not say anything about rimdrives in his interview, and you are interpreting those statements as believing that they are saying they believe there is zero possibility of the future nuclear submarine using a rimdrive.

Please take a step back and read people's replies more carefully.

It video after all How can you be sure that there is no editing ? Any one can edit or even cut section of the interview
Anyway if you have a beef on that go complain to Gt don't take it on me

 

[Iron Man]

It video after all How can you be sure that there is no editing ? Any one can edit or even cut section of the interview
Anyway if you have a beef on that go complain to Gt don't take it on me

We are all talking about the same video, including GT, not some super secret video that only GT has seen and nobody else has seen; if you are trying to ridiculously claim that GT has a separate video, the burden of proof is on YOU to demonstrate that they have such a video, not on me to prove that they don't have one. Also, all I did was point out GT's error, and this resulted in 2 pages of your extremist ranting about what I said rather than what GT said.

 

[Blitzo]

It video after all How can you be sure that there is no editing ? Any one can edit or even cut section of the interview
Anyway if you have a beef on that go complain to Gt don't take it on me

My problem is with you.

The problem is that you believe that the video is evidence of Rear Admiral Ma referencing the rimdrive, and you believe the global times article in believing the rimdrive was mentioned.

Global times is incorrect for publishing something which didn't happen, but you are also incorrect for believing global times and not paying attention to the original video which you use as the basis of your argument.



In this case, your argument that the video shows Rear Admiral Ma mentioning or referencing the rimdrive, is incorrect, because nothing in the video shows him even mentioning anything about rimdrives.

 

[Jura The idiot]

it's hard to believe ... are you guys talking what was debunked by Bltizo? LOL
Lost in translation: how one Chinese submarine breakthrough was mistaken for another
It began on the 30th May, 2017

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[FORBIN]

For permanent magnet motor yet used since several years by Type 212, Zumwalt also and next year a Virginia

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For this famous submarine shaftless drive (SSD) normaly UK Dreadnought Class will have and make complelety sense SSBN Columbia which have ofc permanent magnet motor

I have read since several years Submarine soon with new systems will almost always be detected !
ofc no, so all that must is to be taken with some caution in more the propeller is only a part of the noise for a submarine.

 

[plawolf]

I think we already had this exact same discussion serval times now, and rehashing all the same arguments again is unlikely to advance the discussion much.

To try and steer things somehow back on track, thinking back to the 16m diameter ring and the comments about double hulls. Well wasn’t there a picture posted a little while back in the SSK thread of a Yuan under construction, where the outer hull was being welded on a piece at a time to an underlying frame?

If the outer hull of a double hull sub is manufactured and added as plates rather than rings, then does that not suggest that this ring, if it is for a sub, is the inner hull, suggesting an even greater overall dimension?

If this is the inner hull of a double hull design, it would suggest a displacement to rival or even surpass the giant Typhoon!

Can we do any analysis on the thickness of the ring to assess if it is indeed a sub pressure hull? As I imagine sub hulls will require a thickness greater than ring structures needed for other conventional construction uses?