075 LHD thread

[PanAsian]

12 in 10-15 years is right around 1 per year and would result in more LHDs than even the US currently has or ever plans on having. You would also have to group other assets with these LHDs like LPDs, ACVs, fleet escorts, MEUs, helos, crew, maintenance, etc., so it's not just an LHD that you're building. You have to build a whole slew of other things just to make this LHD fully effective. People think China should somehow match numbers with the USN when they constantly forget that the USN CANNOT afford its current numbers and has to massively deficit spend to maintain its current military strength.

Also I don't see China having the need for 12 LHDs. A lot depends on how they configure or use their LHDs, if it operates more as a light carrier or really in an amphibious assault role.

They do have 6 LPDs and a 1:1:1 ratio of LPD:LHD:CV is not out of the question. I think that's the most we will see in 10-15 years, perhaps additional LPDs up to a 2:1:1 ratio.

 

[Lethe]

LHDs are just floating tin cans, there isn't much to learn that hasn't already been learned with 071.

 

[Blitzo]

I think even 12 in water is unrealistic. Say in 15 years the last of the 12 just finish construction, not fitted out. That means u need to start construction 13 years from now. Which if you use the timeline I assumed first LDH finish debug 7 years from today. It would give you six years in between to construct ships 2 to 12. That is 11 ships in 6 years. 11 LHDs not destroyers or frigates. Just from a man power, dry dock, $$$ point of view is basically impossible. Not even the mighty USN can do something like that.

Also I'm sure at the same time 055, 054x, 056, 018, etc are also being constructed. Where is the money and labour coming from?

Personally I don't think the navy would have a requirement for 12 LHDs even by mid century tbh.

However I also do not think it will take an LHD to finish "debugging" 7 years from today.

 

[Iron Man]

LHDs are just floating tin cans, there isn't much to learn that hasn't already been learned with 071.

In terms of building them, I would agree. They are not unlike larger versions of an LPD. However, operationally the LHD is far more complex because in addition to the ACVs and marines, you have flattop helo operations on the LHD, which is both different from the helo operations on a CV and on an LPD given that the LHD will be operating more helo classes all at the same time, including attack helos which means rearming and refueling, in addition to troop transport, recon, S&R, etc. There will be a significant learning curve.

 

[Blitzo]

Fanboys doesn't have vote right within PLAN executives so I would stick to the first option: as many as Politburo allows them. As there's some money to spend. I can understand the tops - if not now then when? At least the numbers will stand out and they will have some success but it's planning 20-30 years ahead... They would like to be like those who developed IJN but times changed a lot within past 150 years so I don't know if they're right or wrong. And I will be too old to judge as well.You clearly don't understand how it works. If there's an order, there's an order. And you hope that it has an aim etc.

I see that you are avoiding the question.

The purpose of my question is to see what your prediction at the time for a class of ship whose current production numbers we now are able to see, to compare with what your predictions for an upcoming class of ship's production number are like, to try and gauge how accurate your comparisons are.

 

[FORBIN]

Janiz what you say fanbois here only very few fortunately

12 in 10-15 years is right around 1 per year and would result in more LHDs than even the US currently has or ever plans on having. You would also have to group other assets with these LHDs like LPDs, ACVs, fleet escorts, MEUs, helos, crew, maintenance, etc., so it's not just an LHD that you're building. You have to build a whole slew of other things just to make this LHD fully effective. People think China should somehow match numbers with the USN when they constantly forget that the USN CANNOT afford its current numbers and has to massively deficit spend to maintain its current military strength.

 

[delft]

I expect that LHD's will also operate UCAV's which will be bring their own troubles. VTOL, V/STOL, cats and traps?

 

[Lethe]

In terms of building them, I would agree. They are not unlike larger versions of an LPD. However, operationally the LHD is far more complex because in addition to the ACVs and marines, you have flattop helo operations on the LHD, which is both different from the helo operations on a CV and on an LPD given that the LHD will be operating more helo classes all at the same time, including attack helos which means rearming and refueling, in addition to troop transport, recon, S&R, etc. There will be a significant learning curve.

Yes, I'm sure it will take some time for PLAN to learn how to operate LHDs effectively and efficiently, and that is one of the reasons why I expect the rate and pattern of induction will be similar to that of Type 071. China certainly could build them far more rapidly, but it is unlikely that they will.

 

[Sczepan]

Also I don't see China having the need for 12 LHDs. A lot depends on how they configure or use their LHDs, if it operates more as a light carrier or really in an amphibious assault role.

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They do have 6 LPDs and a 1:1:1 ratio of LPD:LHD:CV is not out of the question. I think that's the most we will see in 10-15 years, perhaps additional LPDs up to a 2:1:1 ratio.

so I'll wait for 2 LHAs, which is the ratio of 3 LPDs to 1 LHA - and 2 building is the typical building rate for new typ.

 

[PiSigma]

Any news on this? I thought someone said two are being constructed right now, how come no news?