Yeah, and you will train them...
lol those crazy 'number' ideas around this forum from fanboys.
075 LHD thread
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lol those crazy 'number' ideas around this forum from fanboys.
Out of interest, how many 052Ds did you expect to see in the water by 2017 back in 2012 when the first vessel was launched?
PiSigma
"the engineer"
12 in 10-15 years is way too fast. We haven't even seen anything resembling a LHD in any shipyard yet. It will take probably 2 years to get it into the water even if we start to see it take shape now. Then another year of fitting out and probably 1 more for sea trials. That would be 4 years from now to hand over to the navy.
Considering a LHD is a whole new ship to the PLAN, I would think they will take 2-3 years to debug. Much longer than a destroyer. During this 2-3 years they can finalize the improvements in design. That would be 7 years from now. Then start mass production. A ship every two years or three years would give you 3 LHD in 10 years maybe 5 in 15.
As many as they wish. It's time for expansion, the numbers of trained and capable people will come up with time sooner or later and all would be good if it's before war. At least it looks like a logic within PLAN. I think it would be a problem for US Navy expanding from 300 to 350 to get it all together but for PLAN in an uprecedented in the history of naval warfare grow-up period this something that no one had ever experienced. I think they thought about it. But no one ever heard about it around here. There must be some schedule present for each one of the ships when they're becoming capable of anything other than pushing the button and shooting from VLS. That's rarely brought up point. There must be enormous gaps between what an old officer learns nowadays compared to 10 years before. And surely there's no way for any of them to develop anything on their own. Not at this stage I assume as it needs time.
Fanboys doesn't have vote right within PLAN executives so I would stick to the first option: as many as Politburo allows them. As there's some money to spend. I can understand the tops - if not now then when? At least the numbers will stand out and they will have some success but it's planning 20-30 years ahead... They would like to be like those who developed IJN but times changed a lot within past 150 years so I don't know if they're right or wrong. And I will be too old to judge as well.
You clearly don't understand how it works. If there's an order, there's an order. And you hope that it has an aim etc.
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To clarify, I can see 12 in the water in total between 10-15 years, not in service.
How long it would take to debug, I agree that will be a significant part of the overall number constructed.
You misunderstand my question -- I was asking you how many 052Ds you believed the Chinese Navy might have by now (late 2017), at the time when the first unit was launched (mid 2012 ish).
PiSigma
"the engineer"
I think even 12 in water is unrealistic. Say in 15 years the last of the 12 just finish construction, not fitted out. That means u need to start construction 13 years from now. Which if you use the timeline I assumed first LDH finish debug 7 years from today. It would give you six years in between to construct ships 2 to 12. That is 11 ships in 6 years. 11 LHDs not destroyers or frigates. Just from a man power, dry dock, $$$ point of view is basically impossible. Not even the mighty USN can do something like that.
Also I'm sure at the same time 055, 054x, 056, 018, etc are also being constructed. Where is the money and labour coming from?
12 in 10-15 years is right around 1 per year and would result in more LHDs than even the US currently has or ever plans on having. You would also have to group other assets with these LHDs like LPDs, ACVs, fleet escorts, MEUs, helos, crew, maintenance, etc., so it's not just an LHD that you're building. You have to build a whole slew of other things just to make this LHD fully effective. People think China should somehow match numbers with the USN when they constantly forget that the USN CANNOT afford its current numbers and has to massively deficit spend to maintain its current military strength.