071 LPD thread
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MwRYum
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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft
Without a practical load on the LCAC and judge by the ramp alone (structures on both sides seems to be close in size with the US LCAC), the Chinese one is about 1.5 HMMWV shorter by width. To go by the logical assumption that the 3320 LCAC and 071 class LPD is part of the whole package to begin with, then it'd safe to say that unless PLA Navy is planning for bigger LPD or even LPH, they're stuck with this LCAC.
It's a logical approach, should 3320 boat is indeed a proof-of-concept and lead-in unit for them, and China is still years away to produce their own gas turbine engine that can propel a LCAC in the same category as the US one.
Still, it's an achievement nonetheless, for only a handful of nations today that can build LCAC of this weight class.
Without a practical load on the LCAC and judge by the ramp alone (structures on both sides seems to be close in size with the US LCAC), the Chinese one is about 1.5 HMMWV shorter by width. To go by the logical assumption that the 3320 LCAC and 071 class LPD is part of the whole package to begin with, then it'd safe to say that unless PLA Navy is planning for bigger LPD or even LPH, they're stuck with this LCAC.
It's a logical approach, should 3320 boat is indeed a proof-of-concept and lead-in unit for them, and China is still years away to produce their own gas turbine engine that can propel a LCAC in the same category as the US one.
Still, it's an achievement nonetheless, for only a handful of nations today that can build LCAC of this weight class.
Engineer
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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft
I think I figured out what it is; two compartments for carrying troops.
I think I figured out what it is; two compartments for carrying troops.
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft
the new amphibious ship in HD shipyard is slowly shaping up.
At the same time, we are seeing 998 with helicopters on the gulf of Aden expedition. There looks to be 2 Z-8s and 1 Z-9 on the helipad. They are saying that 998 is carrying 2 Z-8s + 1 Z-9 and 170 is carrying 1 Z-9 on this trip. From the pictures before, I think 998 should be able to carry at least one more helicopter (at least 2 Z-8s + 2 Z-9s) in the hangar. But this is the first time we've had a picture of 998 carrying more than 2 helicopters.
the new amphibious ship in HD shipyard is slowly shaping up.
At the same time, we are seeing 998 with helicopters on the gulf of Aden expedition. There looks to be 2 Z-8s and 1 Z-9 on the helipad. They are saying that 998 is carrying 2 Z-8s + 1 Z-9 and 170 is carrying 1 Z-9 on this trip. From the pictures before, I think 998 should be able to carry at least one more helicopter (at least 2 Z-8s + 2 Z-9s) in the hangar. But this is the first time we've had a picture of 998 carrying more than 2 helicopters.
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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft
If they made the hangar deep enough to carry 4 helicopters they would have made it large enough to carry 4 Z-8's. There is no reason for the 071 to be designed with the Z-9 in mind. The current load is IMO unlikely to represent a standard wartime deployment. Also, carrying 3 helos on this mission does not prove the hangar is large enough to accommodate more than 2 helos.
If they made the hangar deep enough to carry 4 helicopters they would have made it large enough to carry 4 Z-8's. There is no reason for the 071 to be designed with the Z-9 in mind. The current load is IMO unlikely to represent a standard wartime deployment. Also, carrying 3 helos on this mission does not prove the hangar is large enough to accommodate more than 2 helos.
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft
How do you know? i cant figure out anything from this picture
How do you know? i cant figure out anything from this picture
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft
The red structure in the picture is a cross section of the LPD of the picture on the right.
The red structure in the picture is a cross section of the LPD of the picture on the right.
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft
That's based on the diagram of 071 that I posted in this thread a few posts ago. It is possible that diagram is not accurate, but I would think otherwise.
That's based on the diagram of 071 that I posted in this thread a few posts ago. It is possible that diagram is not accurate, but I would think otherwise.
MwRYum
Major
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft
For those who estimate the well dock can hold up to 4 "3320 class" LCAC, perhaps you got it right, or at least very close...
Important part is at the 2nd half of the newsreel, at least by visual estimates...the space left after the LCAC and the fast boats can put 3 badminton courts and 1 basketball court, though they not likely full-size by length but by width should be accurate.
For those who estimate the well dock can hold up to 4 "3320 class" LCAC, perhaps you got it right, or at least very close...
Important part is at the 2nd half of the newsreel, at least by visual estimates...the space left after the LCAC and the fast boats can put 3 badminton courts and 1 basketball court, though they not likely full-size by length but by width should be accurate.
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft
2010年7月21日出版的《简氏防务周刊》刊载该刊驻华盛顿通讯记者特德-帕森斯(Ted Parsons)的文章，题为“中国部署首艘船坞登陆舰致力于反海盗”。文章提到，“昆仑山”号的船坞船台甲板或可容纳24-32辆ZBD-05两栖突击车，该舰员搭载的直-8还进行了特殊改装，以适应全天候反海盗任务，另有非官方的数据表明，“昆仑山”号可以搭载至少3艘“玉义”级气垫登陆艇，每艘该艇可至少运载一辆42吨重的96式主战坦克；简氏还提到，中国将建造6艘071型船坞登陆舰（LPD）和6艘081型直升机船坞登陆舰（LHD），第一艘081型登陆舰已在建造。文章详细内容如下：
文章首先说，从6月30日起航，中国第一艘071型船务登陆舰“昆仑山”号于7月14日部署到索马里海域，参与中国人民解放军海军第六批反海盗舰艇编队，担负起反海盗任务，此举标志着中国该型舰艇首次向海外部署。此次编队部署还包括南海舰队所属052C型驱逐舰“兰州”号和正在亚丁湾执行补给任务的“微山湖”号综合补给舰。
071型船坞登陆舰在2006年12月下水，引人注意的是其标准排水量达到17，000吨，而满载排水量很可能超过20，000吨。有消息来源说，该级坞登可以乘载多达800名士兵，而一张最近的中国互联网图片则显示，该舰的船坞船台甲板或可容纳24-32辆ZBD-05式快速两栖突击车。另外，该舰还有船内空间搭载数量不明的装甲车。071型坞登的后甲板可以供两架直-8型直升机同时起降，机库内则可以容纳3-4架直-8。但此次“昆仑山”号配备了特殊的反海盗装备，搭乘有30多名特战队员，此次行动搭载的直-8直升机还进行了改装，在飞行座舱下部加装了微光传感器，以便更好地执行全天候任务，直-8还配备有一个类似第五次护航编队首次搭载的直-9C上安装的新型武器吊舱。
简氏接着说，值得注意的是，“昆仑山”号船坞登陆舰此次还搭载有一艘“玉义”级（Yuyi）级气垫登陆艇，在外形尺寸上类似于美国87吨级的气垫登陆艇（LCAC）。首次发现部分地建造该级气垫登陆艇的时间是在2007年，近期，还发现在上海有一艘“玉义”级气垫登陆艇在进行测试，明显是为进行部署做准备。在7月份的第一周，有中国媒体报道说， 舷号为3320的中国气垫登陆艇在印度尼西亚的纳吐纳群岛（Natuna）附近演练。
简氏文章说，中国“玉义”级气垫登陆艇的精确运载能力数据尚未公布，尽管有非官方的中国数据来源表明，这种气垫艇每艘可以运载至少一辆42吨重的96式主战坦克。071型船坞登陆舰可以搭载至少3艘“玉义”级气垫登陆艇，但很少会直接用于对付海盗的小艇；在索马里政府允许的情况下，它们将赋予中国军方在某些公共外交事件中，执行人道主义支持任务的能力，比如在那些遭受海盗困扰的海岸村庄。
简氏还分析认为，首次部署船坞登陆舰的举动凸显了中国打造一支更大型的能执行常规军力投送任务的海军。在6月中旬，第二艘071型船坞登陆舰的船身部件开始在上海组装，来自亚洲的消息源披露，最初阶段，中国将建造6艘071型船坞登陆舰和6艘081型直升机船坞登陆舰（LHD），第一艘081型登陆舰已在建造，但是亚洲的消息源说，该舰在在大小规模上类似于071型，并配置性能更强的防空系统。在2020年之前，中国的初步两栖投送力量还将有多达四个新型航母战斗群与之伴随。（落晖）
Janes claim that China plan to build 5 more 071 class amphibious ship, and 081 VTOL amphibious assault ship is currently under construction.
2010年7月21日出版的《简氏防务周刊》刊载该刊驻华盛顿通讯记者特德-帕森斯(Ted Parsons)的文章，题为“中国部署首艘船坞登陆舰致力于反海盗”。文章提到，“昆仑山”号的船坞船台甲板或可容纳24-32辆ZBD-05两栖突击车，该舰员搭载的直-8还进行了特殊改装，以适应全天候反海盗任务，另有非官方的数据表明，“昆仑山”号可以搭载至少3艘“玉义”级气垫登陆艇，每艘该艇可至少运载一辆42吨重的96式主战坦克；简氏还提到，中国将建造6艘071型船坞登陆舰（LPD）和6艘081型直升机船坞登陆舰（LHD），第一艘081型登陆舰已在建造。文章详细内容如下：
文章首先说，从6月30日起航，中国第一艘071型船务登陆舰“昆仑山”号于7月14日部署到索马里海域，参与中国人民解放军海军第六批反海盗舰艇编队，担负起反海盗任务，此举标志着中国该型舰艇首次向海外部署。此次编队部署还包括南海舰队所属052C型驱逐舰“兰州”号和正在亚丁湾执行补给任务的“微山湖”号综合补给舰。
071型船坞登陆舰在2006年12月下水，引人注意的是其标准排水量达到17，000吨，而满载排水量很可能超过20，000吨。有消息来源说，该级坞登可以乘载多达800名士兵，而一张最近的中国互联网图片则显示，该舰的船坞船台甲板或可容纳24-32辆ZBD-05式快速两栖突击车。另外，该舰还有船内空间搭载数量不明的装甲车。071型坞登的后甲板可以供两架直-8型直升机同时起降，机库内则可以容纳3-4架直-8。但此次“昆仑山”号配备了特殊的反海盗装备，搭乘有30多名特战队员，此次行动搭载的直-8直升机还进行了改装，在飞行座舱下部加装了微光传感器，以便更好地执行全天候任务，直-8还配备有一个类似第五次护航编队首次搭载的直-9C上安装的新型武器吊舱。
简氏接着说，值得注意的是，“昆仑山”号船坞登陆舰此次还搭载有一艘“玉义”级（Yuyi）级气垫登陆艇，在外形尺寸上类似于美国87吨级的气垫登陆艇（LCAC）。首次发现部分地建造该级气垫登陆艇的时间是在2007年，近期，还发现在上海有一艘“玉义”级气垫登陆艇在进行测试，明显是为进行部署做准备。在7月份的第一周，有中国媒体报道说， 舷号为3320的中国气垫登陆艇在印度尼西亚的纳吐纳群岛（Natuna）附近演练。
简氏文章说，中国“玉义”级气垫登陆艇的精确运载能力数据尚未公布，尽管有非官方的中国数据来源表明，这种气垫艇每艘可以运载至少一辆42吨重的96式主战坦克。071型船坞登陆舰可以搭载至少3艘“玉义”级气垫登陆艇，但很少会直接用于对付海盗的小艇；在索马里政府允许的情况下，它们将赋予中国军方在某些公共外交事件中，执行人道主义支持任务的能力，比如在那些遭受海盗困扰的海岸村庄。
简氏还分析认为，首次部署船坞登陆舰的举动凸显了中国打造一支更大型的能执行常规军力投送任务的海军。在6月中旬，第二艘071型船坞登陆舰的船身部件开始在上海组装，来自亚洲的消息源披露，最初阶段，中国将建造6艘071型船坞登陆舰和6艘081型直升机船坞登陆舰（LHD），第一艘081型登陆舰已在建造，但是亚洲的消息源说，该舰在在大小规模上类似于071型，并配置性能更强的防空系统。在2020年之前，中国的初步两栖投送力量还将有多达四个新型航母战斗群与之伴随。（落晖）
Janes claim that China plan to build 5 more 071 class amphibious ship, and 081 VTOL amphibious assault ship is currently under construction.