071 LPD thread

[MwRYum]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Just an idea; but ...
why not use basic LPD structure to build an affordable LPH; space is readily available and the PLA navy could use such a ship better than just an extra LPD.
Commaonality of hull and propulsionsystem would also speed up training and ease logistics and eventual repairs.
Dock has space for Hangar and supestructure coud be minimized and offset to a single side to provide more and better acces to deckspace.
Such a ship could be a base to about 9 helos in a mix of types (even awacs-type).

Consider what the PLA Navy has before this, at best, were WW2 and some Soviet-style LST, LPD is by itself opens new modes and methods of operation that they have yet fully grasp - the difference of LPH and LPD is the significiant increase in terms of helicopter deployment, including the deployment of attack helicopters to "pacify" the beachhead... the increase of helicopter traffic offered by LPD has yet to be grasped by the PLA Navy, when no such opportunity was available with their LSTs.

Thus, go to the LPH now would be leap-frogging too much, China prefers one step at a time. Besides, they still have no experience in operating a flat-top, something to be dealt with once the ex-Soviet Varyag is done retrofitting and enter the roster.

 

[dingyibvs]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

What about it? It would be helpful if you elaborate when posting.Do you find the very bright sunlight a little suspect? If you examing the dock and ropes to the left and the upper deck etc. you will see some consistency.The bit on the right can be light filtering through something out of picture and there appears to be some reflection of the right-hand fence there too though i guess it still can be all psed.More interesting is the helicopters on the top deck as they look like wreckage to me. YOu can get a better view from this very site here

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. I know some tails can fold but this looks a little bashed up to me.Anyway i think the guys on here concluded this to be psed. If so, that's good enough for me.

I think he's pointing out that the marks on the ramp are the same with the two photos(red marking in the middle, white marking on the port side), could be a proof that the first pic is one of the 071 as well.

 

[ZTZ99]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

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Should this turns out to be the 071 class interior this'd be interesting...enough space for 7 ZBD2000 and 2 small LCACs park end to end, if only we know the length of them, we can do some math.

I'll take a stab:

Based on photos, I estimate each amphib ZBD2000 at 9.5m, including the rear blade, compared to standard non-amphib IFV's which average around 7m length. Each IFV looks like it has about 1.5m spacing in front of it, making for 11m total per IFV. 7 of them stacked together makes 77m total.

The length of the Type 724 is known at 12.4m. Add 1.6m spacing in front of each and that makes 29m more. That's a total of 105m. Based on both the photos, it looks like there's extra space behind the last hovercraft. Let's add 5m. So about 110m. This is in line with peoples' earlier estimations of about 120m or so.

A USN LCAC has an inflated length of 26.4m. 4 of them makes 105.6m. The PLAN hovercraft is definitely narrower and probably the same length or shorter. So it should be able to fit four of them. This is also in line with the official models we have of this class of ship, which always show 4 hovercraft stored in the well deck.

 

[Sczepan]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think he's pointing out that the marks on the ramp are the same with the two photos(red marking in the middle, white marking on the port side), ...

that's it - both pics ar one of the 071 as well; may be made at the same day - additional to the marks we may see the same hovercrafts at both pics.

....More interesting is the helicopters on the top deck as they look like wreckage to me. ....

Huh? The Z-8 helicopter can fold the rear.

 

[tphuang]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Pictures of 3320 coming into the well deck of 071 in the expedition to Aden. Also a nice picture of 3320 coming in when the patrol boats are already in there.

 

[MwRYum]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Pictures of 3320 coming into the well deck of 071 in the expedition to Aden. Also a nice picture of 3320 coming in when the patrol boats are already in there.

A snug fit and given the room ahead that'd be space for 2 more LCAC. And judging by the 3rd pic, this is definitely slimmer than the USN LCAC, just wide enough for a Type 99 MBT, or 2 HMMWV in a tight fit.

 

[ZTZ99]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

A snug fit and given the room ahead that'd be space for 2 more LCAC. And judging by the 3rd pic, this is definitely slimmer than the USN LCAC, just wide enough for a Type 99 MBT, or 2 HMMWV in a tight fit.

Let's be honest here, there's no way to tell how many you can fit in the well deck with these photos. You have no idea how far in the LCAC is sitting inside the well deck. The previous photo showing the entire well deck along with the ZBD's indicates 4 can easily fit.

 

[Confuse]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Let's be honest here, there's no way to tell how many you can fit in the well deck with these photos. You have no idea how far in the LCAC is sitting inside the well deck. The previous photo showing the entire well deck along with the ZBD's indicates 4 can easily fit.

the pic of the LCAC in the well deck (2nd pic) is about 40% length, it looks like maybe there is space for 4 or 3.5 LCAC if in that pic the LCAC is fully in the ship

 

[Confuse]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

the width of the LCAC looks like it can only fit 2 HMMVEE class army trucks side by side and 6 in a row, it looks even too tight for IFV side by side, too bad it isn't a little better designed to maximize volume lift (more space to fit lighter vehicles)

 

[ZTZ99]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

the width of the LCAC looks like it can only fit 2 HMMVEE class army trucks side by side and 6 in a row, it looks even too tight for IFV side by side, too bad it isn't a little better designed to maximize volume lift (more space to fit lighter vehicles)

More likely 5 in a row. And I think this craft is only designed to carry vehicles in tandem fashion as there are no divot holes running down the midline of the LCAC to tie ropes or chains to so you can secure vehicles side by side. If you don't tie everything down you'll have big problems when encountering rough seas. It does solve the problem of having to pack tightly though, and also vehicles can deploy very rapidly from the LCAC if they are carried in tandem.