071 LPD thread

[Gollevainen]

Re: Type 071 LPD

Now I am as amatour as you rest in naval matters, so thats quite lame excuse for all this.

Altough all forums are basicly amatour-basis if the membershipbase isen't restricted by anyways, that doesen't mean that we should deliberatly try to seek and pursue too amatourish image and look. In SDF we try to do the exact opposite. Thus we encourage people to discuss maturely and hope that most of the time when something is said, there is something solid behind it.
We try enstabile the premium information source for chinese military issues, so you all can imagine how much all missinformation and lack of understandment of the bigger picture fits to that.

So yeas I preserve the right to call people silly when they act like one, becouse thurst me its alot nicer than some other namecallings or actions which too naive views may cause. You all are free to express your views as long as they are in the frames of the rules. But although being "noob" isen't forbidden or against the rules, you have to be prepaired to face the corrections and teaching of how the things really are. And yeas I have the right to demand and ask for discussing or atleast understand the basics of naval warfare behind your post for the whole forums sake. (and for the reputation of chinese military fans)

In here we don't indulge stubidity unlike most of the current youthformats

Golly

 

[kickars]

Re: Type 071 LPD

Now I am as amatour as you rest in naval matters, so thats quite lame excuse for all this.

Altough all forums are basicly amatour-basis if the membershipbase isen't restricted by anyways, that doesen't mean that we should deliberatly try to seek and pursue too amatourish image and look. In SDF we try to do the exact opposite. Thus we encourage people to discuss maturely and hope that most of the time when something is said, there is something solid behind it.
We try enstabile the premium information source for chinese military issues, so you all can imagine how much all missinformation and lack of understandment of the bigger picture fits to that.

So yeas I preserve the right to call people silly when they act like one, becouse thurst me its alot nicer than some other namecallings or actions which too naive views may cause. You all are free to express your views as long as they are in the frames of the rules. But although being "noob" isen't forbidden or against the rules, you have to be prepaired to face the corrections and teaching of how the things really are. And yeas I have the right to demand and ask for discussing or atleast understand the basics of naval warfare behind your post for the whole forums sake. (and for the reputation of chinese military fans)

In here we don't indulge stubidity unlike most of the current youthformats

Golly

In fact most of us appreciate mods like you to keep this forum at a higher standard than some of the other military forum out there. And I also think (at least me) people do learn a lot from people like you who have more experience and knowledge in military.

But I think it can be done by different ways. Here is an example I saw earlier today that I thought it's much easier for people to 'read' and 'accept'. http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/naval-forces-navy/chinese-submarines-thread-60-920.html

 

[Sczepan]

Re: Type 071 LPD

please - would you end this OT and change to private postings? I am interested to see news about 071 C and the lcac of the ship, and not about the way, a moderator is using

 

[Gollevainen]

Re: Type 071 LPD

There is different ways, naturally...as we all are different
But the methods and "ways" depends so much of the situation that no clear path can be used. If someone openly express his lack of knowlidge and indicates that he wish to learn more, then naturally its only polite to do it in manners like eg. crobato described the chinese submarine buildings. But when people discuss matters like they would know stuff and yet making silly comments, then at least hot tempered "teachers" like myself awnsers in equal manners.

The good thing about being silly is that it isen't anyway sticked to your charesteristic, its just silly behaiviour. The cure for it is very easy, learn and listen and then adopt. The bases for these complaits would be much solid if I would have used more denegrating terms of somebodys persona which I didn't.

But Schepanski's request is duly noticed and thus this shall be the last word of this matter (I always say the last word) and now only Type 071 and related stuff please...and that isen't a request...

 

[PanAsian]

Re: Type 071 LPD

It's been a while since anyone posted anything on this thread. Does anyone have information on whether the PLAN has disclosed any kind of operational doctrine on using the Type071 LPD? Beyond a Taiwan scenario?

 

[montyp165]

Re: Type 071 LPD

It's been a while since anyone posted anything on this thread. Does anyone have information on whether the PLAN has disclosed any kind of operational doctrine on using the Type071 LPD? Beyond a Taiwan scenario?

Long range logistical support for relief missions was a possible area.

 

[PanAsian]

Re: Type 071 LPD

Thanks, when you say possibly, is this something released by any semi-official PRC organization or think tank? Or from an unofficial source or Chinese forum discussion?

I bring up this topic as there were a couple of related articles by Stratfor on the PLAN's apparent plan to develope an aircraft carrier, that it is an expensive project with tremendous opportunity costs, one of which being distraction from developing an effective LPD fleet sooner which can be put to use by the PRC to increase its influence especially relative to the already well-developed and deployed LPD fleets of Japan and Australia. Not to mention the quickly up-and-coming South Korea's.

I have always agreed with this line of analysis per my previous posts about the Varyag etc. So I am glad to see the Type 071 come out yet it is really disappointing that it has been a lone hull so far and that it is not even a full deck design.

And there hasn't been any real helicopters sighted on it right? Just a mockup?

 

[Jeff Head]

Re: Type 071 LPD

Thanks, when you say possibly, is this something released by any semi-official PRC organization or think tank? Or from an unofficial source or Chinese forum discussion?

...an effective LPD fleet sooner which can be put to use by the PRC to increase its influence especially relative to the already well-developed and deployed LPD fleets of Japan and Australia. Not to mention the quickly up-and-coming South Korea's.

I have always agreed with this line of analysis per my previous posts about the Varyag etc. So I am glad to see the Type 071 come out yet it is really disappointing that it has been a lone hull so far and that it is not even a full deck design.

And there hasn't been any real helicopters sighted on it right? Just a mockup?

Well, the pics of the LCACs in post 251-252 by tphuang (which were made in December) are the clearest indication that operational training for the Type 071 LPD are preparing to go forward. Here is one of those pics:

IMHO, that LCAC is clearly designed for the Type 071 and indicates the clear intention for modern amphibious assault capability.

With its large, flat, after-deck, (the largest aircraft landing deck of any launched PLAN vessel to date IMHO), it is also safe to presume that the Type 071, in conjunction with the amphibious assault capability, will also have an air assault capability of some sort, perhaps up to 3 or 4 helos at a time. To date, there has just been the pic of the apparant mock-up on deck, so we will have to wait and see what that full capability end us consists of.

 

[man overbored]

Re: Type 071 LPD

That little dish shaped antenna on the aft mast looks an awful lot like the DRBP-20A TACAN. There was some debate on that earlier. My burning question regards the well deck of this ship. Russia's Ivan Rogov had a well deck for hovercraft but it could not be flooded. The well deck gate was hinged above the water line on those. It hinged down and hovercraft would exit aft over this ramp into the water. I am curious to find out if the Chinese ship is able to flood it's well deck for conventional landing craft or if it will be restricted to using hover craft only. The stern gate is above the water line, unlike USN practice where the stern gate is hinged below water level and the well deck floods.

 

[Jeff Head]

Re: Type 071 LPD

My burning question regards the well deck of this ship. Russia's Ivan Rogov had a well deck for hovercraft but it could not be flooded. The well deck gate was hinged above the water line on those. It hinged down and hovercraft would exit aft over this ramp into the water. I am curious to find out if the Chinese ship is able to flood it's well deck for conventional landing craft or if it will be restricted to using hover craft only.

From the following pic (and many others) it seems that it is very similar to the Russian design (ie. hinged above the water line and the gate appears to hing down). From this I would expect that it does not flood per sey like the US San Antonio, Tarawa, or Wasp classes. This will limit their capability to the LCAC type or their smaller hover craft, probably excluding convetnional landing craft unless I am missing something.