071 LPD thread

[maozedong]

Re: Type 071 LPD

:china:

great pic!
In 2007 the last day of 9.30 am, "Chinese version LCAC" hovercraft appearance in the ShangHai Jiangnan second shipyard,the report said smaller than "Zubr".maby China only borrow or supervisor "Zuba" technology, the future will create greater LCAC?

Happy New year! every body.

 

[kickars]

Re: Type 071 LPD

I think the new LCAC being smaller than 'Zubr' is a good thing. Coz it must be designed to fit into the new 071 LPD. As we can see from the photo, 'Zubr' is way too big for the job. And this new LCAC isn't what you call 'small', either. By the look of it, it should hold two type96 MBTs.

 

[Totoro]

Re: Type 071 LPD

well, while the transport space certainly does seem to be wide and long enough for a mbt, the weight limitations will most probably prevent transport of two mbts. Even US LCACs, which seem to be slightly larger in dimensions, seem to be able to hold only one abrams tank, though theres room for more. After all, 55 ton payload is a lot.

 

[tphuang]

Re: Type 071 LPD

well, while the transport space certainly does seem to be wide and long enough for a mbt, the weight limitations will most probably prevent transport of two mbts. Even US LCACs, which seem to be slightly larger in dimensions, seem to be able to hold only one abrams tank, though theres room for more. After all, 55 ton payload is a lot.

Using my measurements from a previous picture, it's around 27 m in length and 15 m in beam. That's about the same size as Abram and slightly smaller than Murena. Since the other two are designed to carry the heaviest MBT in their service, I think it's fairly clear that this LCAC should be able to carry any PLA MBT. And this is confirmed by a big shrimp in Chinese BBS. Also of note, as you can see the ramp located in front and aft, the payload can get off both ways. Again, similar to USN LCAC. I think it's quite clear that the spec called for similar capability to USN LCAC.

 

[maozedong]

Re: Type 071 LPD

071 LPD construction needs for a period of time in order to meet China's needs. If it is not too much wind and waves, I think it can be independently through the Taiwan Strait, or from Hainan to the Xisha Islands and the Nansha Islands? of course have warships and fighters escort.
Because the current situation, China needs to build such large quantities LCAC, as large quantities as the construction of 022 boats.
In future, can be used more than 071 LPD loading them.

 

[Gollevainen]

Re: Type 071 LPD

Now people...please...

So does the emergence of the new LCAC mean that the long speculated (presumably smaller?) chinese ´Zubr´ derivate is dead?

Possibly both types could operate in a complementary way and a chinese ´Zubr´is indeed coming soon... (on the other hand there are rumours that PLAN was not satisfied with ´Zubr´ performance and the entire project may have been cancelled...)

In 2007 the last day of 9.30 am, "Chinese version LCAC" hovercraft appearance in the ShangHai Jiangnan second shipyard,the report said smaller than "Zubr".maby China only borrow or supervisor "Zuba" technology, the future will create greater LCAC?

I think the new LCAC being smaller than 'Zubr' is a good thing. Coz it must be designed to fit into the new 071 LPD. As we can see from the photo, 'Zubr' is way too big for the job. And this new LCAC isn't what you call 'small', either. By the look of it, it should hold two type96 MBTs.

Looking to these various post makes me depressed. What on earth does a Zurb (pr. 1232.2) have to do with all of this (071&"LCAC")??? Do you guys have any idea what is the difference between the various soviet and western howercraft designs and what are the required roles of each individual classes? Becouse to my eyes it seems that most of you think every howercrafts are all the same type and purpose and thus can be compared to each others by ignoring all other factors. Jesus...

Zurb and this new LCAC type of vessel have only two things common, both are amphibious warfare ships and both are, yeas hovercrafts. But there the similarities ends. Is Shanghai class patrolboats and 051 Luda class DDGs comparable to each others? By the same logic than you guys express here they are, both are ships and both carry 37mm and 25mm guns...

To those who don't know the differences between the two hovercrafts, here's a little summix. Zurb is the final incarnation of the sole russian/soviet marvel to amphibious warfare; the idea to use fast hovercraft to perform operational and tacktical landings. It's essentially the modern day equalent to WWII era LST operations and it (and its precessor Aist) replaced the Polnochy-class LST in soviet fleet.
LCAC is however completely different type of vessel. It's american concept, a small hovercraft that serves the main transport tool between LPD/LSD and the actual beachheads. It replaces the orginal idea of using small landingcrafts inside the LPD/LSDs docking bay and as the docking bay is floated with water, the craft(s) can load few vehicles at the time onboard and transport them to the shores. LCAC does this alot faster and have all the benefits of hovercrafts. Soviets had similar type of vessel as well and it wasen't a Zurb (but ofcourse few of you already knew that, its too big according to photes to fit inside a dockingbay!!!!). Soviet pr.1206 Kalmar (Lebed) class fullfills this role. And it again has nothing to do with Zurb...

So despite the rumours that china is toying around with the Zurb design, it has nothing to do with the 071&LCAC. Wheter the rumours ends up being truth, it will however be completely different ship/design to completely different task. So no more Zurb talks in this thread, there is existing topic for that matter and for crhist (or any similar charresteristic which suites you best) sake, learn even the basics of naval warfare before posting silly stuff like listed above!!

Gollevainen
A brick of a teacher..

 

[Totoro]

Re: Type 071 LPD

overall dimensions do seem to be very close to us lcac but the width of the cargo area is less in chinese vessel. Structure on the hull to the left and right of the cargo area is wider, taking away from the cargo area. Of course, there's still plenty of width for a mbt, there's easely 5-6 meters there. But depending on whats underneath that extra structure, it may or may not be weight taking away from payload. Still, a single mbt in 55 ton class should be possible to take in. But that's not really the main cargo in amphibious landings, i'd imagine, i'd worry about less cargo space area more. US LCAC can transport 3 strykers in a row, side by side. This chinese one seems to be limited at 2 in a row.

 

[Finn McCool]

Re: Type 071 LPD

Someone said that this hovercraft, though entirely different from the Zubr and much smaller, it has the same engines? If that is true then this hovercraft should be very fast, those engines would produce a lot of thrust for that relatively small craft. That's good, speed is a very key quality for a hovercraft. That also might explain intrest in the Zubrs (they needed the engines.)

 

[kickars]

Re: Type 071 LPD

Now people...please...







Looking to these various post makes me depressed. What on earth does a Zurb (pr. 1232.2) have to do with all of this (071&"LCAC")??? Do you guys have any idea what is the difference between the various soviet and western howercraft designs and what are the required roles of each individual classes? Becouse to my eyes it seems that most of you think every howercrafts are all the same type and purpose and thus can be compared to each others by ignoring all other factors. Jesus...

Zurb and this new LCAC type of vessel have only two things common, both are amphibious warfare ships and both are, yeas hovercrafts. But there the similarities ends. Is Shanghai class patrolboats and 051 Luda class DDGs comparable to each others? By the same logic than you guys express here they are, both are ships and both carry 37mm and 25mm guns...

To those who don't know the differences between the two hovercrafts, here's a little summix. Zurb is the final incarnation of the sole russian/soviet marvel to amphibious warfare; the idea to use fast hovercraft to perform operational and tacktical landings. It's essentially the modern day equalent to WWII era LST operations and it (and its precessor Aist) replaced the Polnochy-class LST in soviet fleet.
LCAC is however completely different type of vessel. It's american concept, a small hovercraft that serves the main transport tool between LPD/LSD and the actual beachheads. It replaces the orginal idea of using small landingcrafts inside the LPD/LSDs docking bay and as the docking bay is floated with water, the craft(s) can load few vehicles at the time onboard and transport them to the shores. LCAC does this alot faster and have all the benefits of hovercrafts. Soviets had similar type of vessel as well and it wasen't a Zurb (but ofcourse few of you already knew that, its too big according to photes to fit inside a dockingbay!!!!). Soviet pr.1206 Kalmar (Lebed) class fullfills this role. And it again has nothing to do with Zurb...

So despite the rumours that china is toying around with the Zurb design, it has nothing to do with the 071&LCAC. Wheter the rumours ends up being truth, it will however be completely different ship/design to completely different task. So no more Zurb talks in this thread, there is existing topic for that matter and for crhist (or any similar charresteristic which suites you best) sake, learn even the basics of naval warfare before posting silly stuff like listed above!!

Gollevainen
A brick of a teacher..

I don't think people discussing Zurb here are based on basics of naval warfare.

Coz maybe people like you like to discuss weapons with warfare in mind. But there are still some people just like to discuss weapons without thinking other things. I know for people like you must think it's silly or childish to only discuss weapon themselves without thinking the warfare behind them. But for some people that's what they like to do. I don't think you can say they are wrong. People just have different interest.

Anyway, I think the reason people mentioned Zurb here (and in all other Chinese forums) is because that there were only information about Chinese developing/purchasing Zurbs before these photos appears. And there have not been any information about China developing any other kind of hovercraft. So it's only natural for Chinese military fans to compare this brand new hovercraft to the one they've always been hoped to see.

This is an amateur military forum opens to fans allover the world. So for sure, people have different interest/background/education. You can't expect everyone to think like you do. And you can't say other people's thinking is silly, either.

 

[flyzies]

Re: Type 071 LPD

Now people...please...







Looking to these various post makes me depressed. What on earth does a Zurb (pr. 1232.2) have to do with all of this (071&"LCAC")??? Do you guys have any idea what is the difference between the various soviet and western howercraft designs and what are the required roles of each individual classes? Becouse to my eyes it seems that most of you think every howercrafts are all the same type and purpose and thus can be compared to each others by ignoring all other factors. Jesus...

Zurb and this new LCAC type of vessel have only two things common, both are amphibious warfare ships and both are, yeas hovercrafts. But there the similarities ends. Is Shanghai class patrolboats and 051 Luda class DDGs comparable to each others? By the same logic than you guys express here they are, both are ships and both carry 37mm and 25mm guns...

To those who don't know the differences between the two hovercrafts, here's a little summix. Zurb is the final incarnation of the sole russian/soviet marvel to amphibious warfare; the idea to use fast hovercraft to perform operational and tacktical landings. It's essentially the modern day equalent to WWII era LST operations and it (and its precessor Aist) replaced the Polnochy-class LST in soviet fleet.
LCAC is however completely different type of vessel. It's american concept, a small hovercraft that serves the main transport tool between LPD/LSD and the actual beachheads. It replaces the orginal idea of using small landingcrafts inside the LPD/LSDs docking bay and as the docking bay is floated with water, the craft(s) can load few vehicles at the time onboard and transport them to the shores. LCAC does this alot faster and have all the benefits of hovercrafts. Soviets had similar type of vessel as well and it wasen't a Zurb (but ofcourse few of you already knew that, its too big according to photes to fit inside a dockingbay!!!!). Soviet pr.1206 Kalmar (Lebed) class fullfills this role. And it again has nothing to do with Zurb...

So despite the rumours that china is toying around with the Zurb design, it has nothing to do with the 071&LCAC. Wheter the rumours ends up being truth, it will however be completely different ship/design to completely different task. So no more Zurb talks in this thread, there is existing topic for that matter and for crhist (or any similar charresteristic which suites you best) sake, learn even the basics of naval warfare before posting silly stuff like listed above!!

Gollevainen
A brick of a teacher..

Just because most people in here arent as up-to-date or knows as much about military stuff as you do...it doesnt give you the right to call them all silly.
As Kickars said, this is a open forum where people express their opinions, thoughts and interests...and people should be able to feel free to express themselves without others making them feel stupid.

Now about the LCAC, is this the first one China has produced?
But no doubt when this LCAC comes into service in sufficient numbers its ability to deliver troops, vehicles and cargos directly onto shore will give PLA amphibious forces a new edge.