071 LPD thread

[Blitzo]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

i still dont think you get it, if you have 4 lights it would mean 3 LCAC fit, theres no way a 4th unit can after the 4th light?> clear!

each red line is a LCAC

where do you propose to put the 4th LCAC, on top of the 3rd? count the spaces i marked in red on the wall all the way to the back, it doesnt add up, you cant fit 4 LCAC in that well deck doesnt matter which way you look at it

Asif, the line you labelled as "lcac 1" should be lcac 2. "lcac 2" should be "lcac 3" and so on

Where is LCAC 1 you ask?

Here it is:

Check the position of the traffic light in this picture and the position of the boats jetty

Check the position of the traffic light in the picture below and the position of the boats jetty (the latter of which has not moved)

This picture doesn't show the light in the first photo because it is out of the picture. The picture below is missing an entire quarter of the well deck's length, that is to say it doesn't include the light right before the door and the distance that the first LCAC would take. So that's how four LCACs will fit.

similarly you can lighten up the hanger and count the spaces on the wall and it does not work, its not enough for 4 x Z8

??

I'm not sure what well deck length has to do with the hangar being able to fit 4 Z-8s.
And the hangar would fit Z-8s side by side anyhow... We know it can fit 2 Z-8s side by side, the question is whether it is long enough (chances are, yes it is)

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Asif, the line you labelled as "lcac 1" should be lcac 2. "lcac 2" should be "lcac 3" and so on

Where is LCAC 1 you ask?



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that is the mistake you are making, can you not see the natural light coming in, that is where LCAC-1 is not 2, and light 1 is before light 2 so it means LCAC-1 sits between lights 1 and 2, LCAC-2 sits between lights 2 and 3, LCAC-3 sits between lights 3 and 4

and look at this order, we agree the LCAC sit AFTER the light NOT before, because in the picture LCAC is after light 1

light 1--LCAC--1--light 2--LCAC--2--light 3--LCAC--3--light 4 (if there is one)--end of well deck

i think you are now just playing naive, it can not be any clearer and theres no other way to put it

 

[patriota]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

i still dont think you get it, if you have 4 lights it would mean 3 LCAC fit, theres no way a 4th unit can after the 4th light?> clear!

each red line is a LCAC

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where do you propose to put the 4th LCAC, on top of the 3rd? count the spaces i marked in red on the wall all the way to the back, it doesnt add up, you cant fit 4 LCAC in that well deck doesnt matter which way you look at it

similarly you can lighten up the hanger and count the spaces on the wall and it does not work, its not enough for 4 x Z8

And the traffic line nº 1?

There are 4 traffic lights ... and a LCAC in front of every traffic light.

In your photo only can see 3 traffic lights, but there is another traffic light, like Bltizo said, and in the photo bltizo post, there is a LCAC in front of the traffic light. Then, yu add your photo and red light, and you have 4 LCACs.

But .... we are certainly sure that traffic light nº 1 and nº 2 are diferent, i.e., 4 traffic lights or 3?

I think 4.

 

[patriota]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

4 traffic lights.

Just counting the guard rails in the middle of the traffic lights (nº 2 - nº 3 - nº 4), and the guard rails in the well deck door and the traffic light nº 1, you can see that the number is different.

Traffic lights nº 2, 3, and 4 in one photo, and traffic light nº 1 in another photo.

Well deck door - LCAC - T.L. nº 1 - LCAC - T.L. nº 2 - LCAC - T.L. nº 3 - LCAC - T.L. nº 4 - end of the well deck

 

[Blitzo]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

that is the mistake you are making, can you not see the natural light coming in, that is where LCAC-1 is not 2, and light 1 is before light 2 so it means LCAC-1 sits between lights 1 and 2, LCAC-2 sits between lights 2 and 3, LCAC-3 sits between lights 3 and 4

and look at this order, we agree the LCAC sit AFTER the light NOT before, because in the picture LCAC is after light 1

light 1--LCAC--1--light 2--LCAC--2--light 3--LCAC--3--light 4 (if there is one)--end of well deck

i think you are now just playing naive, it can not be any clearer and theres no other way to put it

I should really just let this slide and go to bed, but I can't, I've invested too much now.

Okay, Asif. There are FOUR traffic lights, alright?

[I think you should open the photos below to their full resolution btw, so you can see the details, such as the piping and the traffic lights]

In this picture below, we see the first traffic light. There's a yellow circle with the number "1".
Note where the boats are in relation to the traffic light and how they are slightly forward of traffic light one.
Also note that unique piece of piping on the wall you can see. That comes into play in photo 2, but keep in mind where those couple of pipes are in relation to traffic light onne

Okay, now this is photo 2:

Look at the boats and the pipes. Have they moved from photo one? No they haven't. But where's traffic light one? It's not in the photo.

Therefore, the space where LCAC 1 would sit behind traffic light one is also out of the photo.



so here is me changing up your diagram (I make light one become the light closest to the aft btw)

bow--light 4--lcac 4==light 3--lcac 3==light 2--lcac 2==light 1--lcac1==end of well deck/aft

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

OMG you just agreed to what i had said!

and you said yourself that LCAC sits infront of light 1, or atleast partially infront of light 1, which means LCAC 1 sits between lights 1 and 2!!

the only way 4 LCAC would fit is if LCAC 1 sat fully behind light 1, but it doesnt it sits infront

if LCAC is infront of light 1, then that means this, note i have put the LCAC 1 a little bit behind light 1 as its in the picture and the arrows are the lights, and i cant belive i actaully draw this lol!!

can you do something similar to show what u mean?

 

[steve_rolfe]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think i see.....its how you interprete the positions indicated from 'Bltizo'...........if you work backwards from station 4 rather than going forward from station 1............then there are definitely spaces for 4. Puzzle solved!

 

[Blitzo]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

OMG you just agreed to what i had said!

and you said yourself that LCAC sits infront of light 1, or atleast partially infront of light 1, which means LCAC 1 sits between lights 1 and 2!!

the only way 4 LCAC would fit is if LCAC 1 sat fully behind light 1, but it doesnt it sits infront

if LCAC is infront of light 1, then that means this, note i have put the LCAC 1 a little bit behind light 1 as its in the picture and the arrows are the lights

Ok. I've changed your picture a little.

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Asif, why would there need to be four traffic lights if only three LCACs would sit inside? What would the traffic light right on the end of the well deck be for? It would be useless is what it would be.


This entire discussion is somewhat bogged down by the continuous reversals in calling traffic lights 1-4 as 4-1 instead. But that doesn't change the fact that my two photos clearly indicate how much space there is inside the well deck and that there is enough for 4 LCACs.

 

[patriota]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Ok.

If we have 4 LCAC, and 2 Z-8 helos per LPD, we can 12 LCAC and 6 Z-8 per wave in a OTH assault.

Just imagine a first wave of 150 (25 x 6) marines in the helos, and a mix of 8 booggeis (4 x 2 LAC), 4 ZTZ-96/99 (1 X 4 LCAC), and 6 other medium size vehicles, and 3 Z-9s with rocket/gun pods.

A second wave can put 150 (25 x 6) marines in the helos, and a mix of 6 ZTZ-96/99 and 6 other medium size vehicles.

Meanwhile, the LPDs and escorts approach to the beach/beaches, ready to launch the wave of swimming vehicles and the rest of the marines.

If every LPD can transport 500 marines and their vehicles, you can put in the beach/beaches 1/3 of them in a OTH assault very quickly, and prepare the beach/beaches to the 1.000 marines to come.

Ver potent.

Just imagine 2-3 LHDs, and a more decent/potent helo.

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Ok. I've changed your picture a little.

Asif, why would there need to be four traffic lights if only three LCACs would sit inside? What would the traffic light right on the end of the well deck be for? It would be useless is what it would be.


This entire discussion is somewhat bogged down by the continuous reversals in calling traffic lights 1-4 as 4-1 instead. But that doesn't change the fact that my two photos clearly indicate how much space there is inside the well deck and that there is enough for 4 LCACs.

we are back to where we started!! you cant fit LCAC infront of light 4! just look at the space, you trying to say AFTER light 4 theres 35m+??

and your edited diagram is wrong because LCAC 1 does not sit infront of light 1 by that much

please tell me this agree or disagree on this part, just right agree or disagree

--you cant fit LCAC after light 4

and

--LCAC 1 sits after light 1 or partially after light 1