071 LPD thread

[antiterror13]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I actually enjoy this comparison because it differentiates intent and capabilities of two similarly-sized vessels and helps to measure the progress of the PLAN wrt the gold standard, which whether you like it or not is the USN. And I will go "there" if I feel like it, if by there you mean your humorous assumptions about how much force the 071 can deploy in a single wave. It seems we are all making assumptions here, some more 'humorous' than others.

don't get upset too easily. Asif has been in this forum for sometime now, much longer than you and he is well respected member. Have you got your blood pressure checked lately ?

 

[delft]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Here's a comparison chart from Global Security;

Specifications
	Type 071 Yuzhao	Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!	Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
Displacement	19,000 tons [17,000 - 20,000 - 25,000 ?? tons ](estimated)	16,360 tons	25,000 tons
Length	213 m / 689 feet	610 ft	684 ft
Beam	31 m / 100 ft 26.5 m / 86 ft (estimated)	84 ft	105 ft
Draft	7 m / 23 ft (estimated)	21 ft	23 ft
Speed	20 kt (estimated)	20 kt	22 kt
Endurance	6,000 at 18 kts (estimated)	8,000 nm
Propulsion	CODAD, 2-shaft, 4 x SEMT Pielstick 16 PC2.6 V400 Diesel engines (35,200 kW)		CODAD, 2-shaft, 4 Turbo charged x SEMT Colt- Pielstick 16 PC2.5 V400 Diesel engines (31,000 kW)
Armament:	1 x AK-176, 76 mm gun 4 x AK-630, 30 mm CIWS Possible 2-4 heavy machine-guns (fitted for but not with) 4 x 18-tube Type 726-4 decoy/chaff launcher
Sensors	Surface search radar: 1 x Type 360 Radar Seagull S, E/F-band Air search radar: 1 x Type 364 Radar, Seagull C, G-band, aft Fire control radar: 1 x Type 344 Radar, I band radar: 1
Complement	120 [this seems low]	347-413	396
troops	400-800	402	699
Military lift	4 air-cushion vehicles 2 x LCVP port/starboard	4 LCAC	2 LCAC
Helicopters	2-4 Z-8 Super Frelon	- 0 -	1 Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content! or 2 Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content! s, or 2 Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content! s, or 4 Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content! s, or 4 Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content! s

This is what Naval Technology states about the LPD-71 class propulsion;

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I see that 071 with slightly more powerful engines and a slightly greater length is penciled in for a lower speed. That suggests a greater displacement.

 

[Mysterre]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

don't get upset too easily. Asif has been in this forum for sometime now, much longer than you and he is well respected member. Have you got your blood pressure checked lately ?

I was asking the same thing of you in the Luhu thread after you started with the apostrophes and the CAPS indicating you were clearly upset and in the mood to troll. Over nothing. LOL Please contribute something legitimate to the discussion by responding directly and specifically to my own points instead of posting these one-liner obvious flamebaits of yours. For example, if you agree with asif just because he has been here longer rather than because of the actual content of post #1075, then you are being useless. If you disagree with me just because it's me rather than the actual content of post #1076, then you are being useless. Please feel free to disagree with me specifically, and be precise about it. Otherwise you are just trying to troll me and should be censored.

 

[Mysterre]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I see that 071 with slightly more powerful engines and a slightly greater length is penciled in for a lower speed. That suggests a greater displacement.

It's amazing to me what lengths people will go to using CLEARLY-stated estimates to try and "prove" that the 071 is bigger. So it's longer by 5 feet. Is this supposed to be earth-shattering? So it doesn't matter that the superstructure of the SA is obviously more massive than the 071? It doesn't matter that the beam of the 071 is NARROWER than the SA by 5 feet? You seriously think this is less consequential than the length? I think you need to think about this a little more.

 

[hmmwv]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

You think it's entirely possible, but do you really know how much? What if the difference between "standard" and "full" displacement is 2,000 tons? Or 1,000 tons? Do you know how much beyond more than just a guess?

I supplied you with facts told by PLAN, you replied back with shouting and person attacks. Frankly I value numbers given by PLAN far more than your opinion. Do you honest believe the difference between standard and full displacement is only 1,000 or 2,000t on a ship the size of 071? 64 fully loaded ZDB05 are already close to 2,000t.

"Hull" is the not the same thing as "size". The hull of a ship does not include its superstructure, and that is where the two ships differ dramatically.

You are missing the point, P17 and 054A has similar dimensions and similar sized superstructure yet the displacement difference is more than 2,000t, that means there is a lot more to a ship's displacement than external dimensions.

 

[Mysterre]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I supplied you with facts told by PLAN, you replied back with shouting and person attacks. Frankly I value numbers given by PLAN far more than your opinion. Do you honest believe the difference between standard and full displacement is only 1,000 or 2,000t on a ship the size of 071? 64 fully loaded ZDB05 are already close to 2,000t.

Ah yes, numbers given by the PLAN. So the full displacement numbers given by the PLAN were.... what, exactly? And I wasn't aware that the difference between "standard" and "full" displacement was or included 64 fully loaded ZDB05's. That number must have been supplied by the PLAN as well, I'm assuming.

You are missing the point, P17 and 054A has similar dimensions and similar sized superstructure yet the displacement difference is more than 2,000t, that means there is a lot more to a ship's displacement than external dimensions.

Well first of all 134x16 is not "similar" to 143x17. Just in terms of surface area that's 15% more, in terms of volume it's even more than that. Also, you have not shown what more to the 071's displacement would make it outdisplace the SA besides making claims about "64 fully loaded" ZDB05's, which you have not demonstrated to be the actual difference between standard and full load. You have also not addressed the gratuitously and obviously more massive superstructure of the SA compared to the 071, or the fact that it's beam is apparently 5ft wider than the 071. I am willing to bet some of the same people who were moaning about how inefficiently the PLAN designed the front superstructure of the 071 are some of the same people who are now adamant that the SA which actually fills this front volume nearly fully, is somehow smaller than the 071. I myself am a fan of the PLAN, but I have never had the impulse to WANT the 071 to be bigger. But OTOH it is gratuitously obvious there are people here who want the 071 to be bigger, and not for reasons grounded in reality. I did not specifically state that you were one of them, or I would have said "you" directly. Nonetheless, there are patterns of posts which make it obvious to me this whole size comparison thing is far more simultaneously angst- and inferiority complex- and pride-driven than is actually worthy of such emotion.

 

[antiterror13]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I was asking the same thing of you in the Luhu thread after you started with the apostrophes and the CAPS indicating you were clearly upset and in the mood to troll. Over nothing. LOL Please contribute something legitimate to the discussion by responding directly and specifically to my own points instead of posting these one-liner obvious flamebaits of yours. For example, if you agree with asif just because he has been here longer rather than because of the actual content of post #1075, then you are being useless. If you disagree with me just because it's me rather than the actual content of post #1076, then you are being useless. Please feel free to disagree with me specifically, and be precise about it. Otherwise you are just trying to troll me and should be censored.

definitely you would need your blood pressure checked right now

 

[Blitzo]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

It's amazing to me what lengths people will go to using CLEARLY-stated estimates to try and "prove" that the 071 is bigger. So it's longer by 5 feet. Is this supposed to be earth-shattering? So it doesn't matter that the superstructure of the SA is obviously more massive than the 071? It doesn't matter that the beam of the 071 is NARROWER than the SA by 5 feet? You seriously think this is less consequential than the length? I think you need to think about this a little more.

We are only using these estimates to try and gauge what may possibly make the original PLAN sailor make the claim that 999 could displace 28,000 tons in the first place.

You don't get these kind of numbers from the horse's mouth very often, so they should be given the benefit of doubt and see if they're reasonable.
Clearly most people think this number is on the edge of realism. It's not a matter of people wanting 071 to be bigger as a matter of pride or some BS motivation like that. It's trying to make sense of the numbers we get.

If you disagree so vehemently then whatever.

 

[antiterror13]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Agreed. At the end of the day, it is only a forum discussion. We don't need to get upset of anything. It won't change the path of PLAN anyway, whatever we say here in this forum

 

[Mysterre]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

We are only using these estimates to try and gauge what may possibly make the original PLAN sailor make the claim that 999 could displace 28,000 tons in the first place.

You don't get these kind of numbers from the horse's mouth very often, so they should be given the benefit of doubt and see if they're reasonable.
Clearly most people think this number is on the edge of realism. It's not a matter of people wanting 071 to be bigger as a matter of pride or some BS motivation like that. It's trying to make sense of the numbers we get.

If you disagree so vehemently then whatever.

While I do not completely dismiss this quote out of hand, I think it should be noted that this is third hand information. In other words, we heard it from someone who heard it from a sailor who allegedly gave a number. This kind of information should be taken with a grain of salt and not given the same pride of place as a direct quote from a news article or video clip.