071 LPD thread

[Preux]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

so you know more than PLAN commanders, and China central goverment? PLAN has been training very hard for amphibious assualts for not years but decades, the entire reason Type 071 LPD came into being was because of its requirments, so maybe China is just making them for fun? or the vast array of Type 072 I, II , III, Type 074A, Type 074, Type 073III and Type 079 are just for show and really have not use

did UK goverment ever predict Falklands, they didnt, and were in the process of selling off their aircraft carriers to Austrialia, so my point is, be prepared is better than not being prepared at all, you dont know what other country might do, Philiphines over night grabs a island in South China Sea? what then

Take a look at the geography around China, its is sourrounded by islands, some pretty far out, China has huge interests from first to third island chains, and all countrys are running for sources, just look at how well France used Mistral during Libyan campagin, all countrys are running for LHDs and LPDs, what i was saying is max. capability, i.e. whats the max. Type 071 LPD can deploy under full battle conditions

in addition, as i said before Type 071 is a good central command and control station, can be used in disaster relief, evacuation, and many other non-military roles, for military roles far away, many times foreign hostages are taken, in Niger Delta or South America, a team of Marines needs to be sent in, they can do so from LPDs, sailing upstream in crafts to secure oil platforms and rigs, this is one reason why Royal Navy were training in the Malaysian Mangroves in 2007 using landing docks

I think you need to read more carefully.

"can't really imagine the PLA engaging in anything like this in the foreseeable future"

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"The capability is totally useless"

I clarified this several times already. I don't foresee China using her strategic arsenal at all, that doesn't make it useless. There are entire doctrines based on NOT using a capability you have. Things like deterrence, fleet-in-being, etc.

You are barking up the wrong tree.

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Actually, it most definitely is in question. And yes, in question regarding its ability to project force a mere 120 miles from its coast. Am I saying the Chinese military could not pull off a successful invasion of Taiwan if it decided to attack tomorrow morning? Not necessarily, but it certainly is not as easy as all your bold text flippantly suggests. And if the US military intervenes directly, automatic failure. This may change by 2020 (or later), but for now that is the situation.

Don't confuse force projection and capability to conduct specific successful operations, the two are different concepts. The fact that force projection doesn't necessarily involve the use of force should clue you in on that.

Indeed, '120 miles' and 'force projection' shouldn't even be used in the same sentence.

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

If the US intervened, there would be a global war with unpredictable consequences. The US wouldn't intervene. All major US naval and air bases in the region can be struck by China and any US fleet blundering so close to the mainland and threatening key coastal cities would be like sitting ducks to Chinese airforce, submarines and anti-ship missile forces. It's not a situation the US would endure.

Let's hope it is never tested.

However, the US is putting BMD around its bases to ensure that they stave off such attacks, and are in the process of spreading the forces out to more bases to futher protect them. Any US Carrier action would stand well off to the east of Taiwan and use its airwing to help establish air superiority over the island and the straits, probably at least two carriers.

US Subs, in packs would also range through the straits attempting to scour it of any hostile forces afloat or beneath the waves.

To say the condition is one the US cannot endure and will not attempt is too far a reach and too presumptive. It will depend on the circumstances leading up to the confrontation.

Like I said, I hope we never have to find out.

 

[Mysterre]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Don't confuse force projection and capability to conduct specific successful operations, the two are different concepts. The fact that force projection doesn't necessarily involve the use of force should clue you in on that.

Indeed, '120 miles' and 'force projection' shouldn't even be used in the same sentence.

Don't confuse American capabilities and those of other countries. Power projection is relative. 'Distant' is relative. For the USN power projection means right up to someone's door. For the Chinese military as it stands now, it would mean anything beyond its borders; that is to say, its ability to project power is very limited. And yes, that would include 120 miles out. This is not the same concept as the "capability to conduct specific successful operations". I am talking about power projection by the Chinese military. And since use of force is included within the definition of power projection, your quip about non-force instances of power projection is useless to this discussion.

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I am talking about power projection by the Chinese military. And since use of force is included within the definition of power projection, your quip about non-force instances of power projection is useless to this discussion.

Actually, it is not just an "American" thing and it is not really "useless".

Here's why.

Power projection can in fact be accomplished without the "use" of force. Sometimes, just projecting that force into an area or circumstance is sufficient to deter it from having to actually be used. This is a concept that all major powers understand and utilize, including the Chinese.

Now, you may indicate that projecting the power or foce itself is a "use" of it, but this is where things can get relative. Yes, if you sail or fly it into or towards the area you are most certainly using it. But, if your adversary understands that you have developed a strong projection capability, and understands that you could have it on scene relatively quickly, just projecting that you are preparing to move it can work and also be construed as "projecting" that power and opposed to actually "using" it.

Just my own opinion on the matter.

 

[Mysterre]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

You did not understand my post at all it seems. Power projection includes the use or threat to use military force. I am not debating that the latter is included in the definition. I thought I had already made that clear. What's useless is not the threat to use force, but that this was even mentioned as a response to my earlier post, which did not require its mention in any way, shape, or form. Also, regarding "American", you seem to think I refer to power projection as an exclusively American activity. I would like to challenge you to quote me directly where I said that. I'm differentiating American power projection capabilities from other militaries' capabilities. I did not say a single thing about the exclusivity of power projection to only the US. One only needs to recall British power projection during the Falklands War or even the more recent European (NATO) intervention in Libya.

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

btw what Pennant number will the 3rd Type 071 take? we have 998 and 999, whats next

 

[escobar]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I'll be gald when Trumpeter releases a 1/350 scale model of this baby so I can add it to my collection. Sweet! Same for the US San Antonio Class. There's not one of those out there in 1/350 scale either.

 

[no_name]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Are you keeping all models for the PLAN at 1/350 scale? Also when the model for the type 056 appears you can then actually compare it to the other vessels.

Would a 1/350 scale of type 022 be too small?

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Are you keeping all models for the PLAN at 1/350 scale? Also when the model for the type 056 appears you can then actually compare it to the other vessels.

Would a 1/350 scale of type 022 be too small?

Yes, I am keeping them at 1/350 scale.

Specifically I am building vessels that will be likely to comprise a PLAN Carrier Strike Group...or an joint force strike group that would include the carrier and one of the LPDs if they come out with a 1/350 scale Type 071, which I believe they will. So, in that regard, I will probably not be building the Type 056 or Type 022 vessels.

See the following site to see what I intend to build for my whole project of Carrier Strike Groups for The US, China, the UK and Russia.

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