056 class FFL/corvette

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asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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Ok so to sum up we have a total of 5 x Type 056 under development in 3 shipyards

2 x in HD, 2 x in HP and 1 x in Wuhan, and all this within few short months, this means this ship is going to be built in very large numbers in various configurations, I can see 1 ship per month launched that's 12 per year
 
plawolf

plawolf

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antiterror13 said:
Why Chinese engineers/designers couldn't come up with similar arrangement as Israeli Sa'ar 5 corvette. It has 64 (yes 64!) Barak1 VLS SAM. Both have similar size and displacement, it seems the Israeli one is much better
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Because Chinese engineers/designers actually knows how to design warships?

The Sa'ar 5 is pretty much a textbook example of a clearly unrealistically over-armed design that should not have passed the designed evaluation stage, and a good lesson that papers specs don't mean everything.

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When the design went public it was hailed as the most heavily armed warship per ton in the world and stirred up quite a bit of discussion and debate. Here in the states IIRC Cebrowski and Hughes used these ships as an example of what their “Streetfighter” concept could achieve. The brochures claimed these ships would appear powerful indeed. A 76mm gun, two 25mm gatling guns – all director controlled, 64 Barak SAM missiles in vertical launchers with a 3-channel fire control system, 8 Harpoon and 8 Gabriel anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine torpedo tubes and a helicopter.

The reality is somewhat different.

The 76mm gun has never been installed, the ships instead carrying a Phalanx CIWS. The 25mm Gatling guns have never been installed and never will be as this system is no longer available. Instead, hand-operated WWII-type 20mm Oerlikon’s are shipped. Only half of the Barak VLS has been installed, the other half permanently taken over by a SATCOM terminal. Only 2 of the 3 planned Barak directors are installed. Gabriel missiles are not fitted and the ships usually put to sea with only 4 rather than 8 Harpoon. The originally intended L-band air search radar is apparently not installed.

That’s a lot less punch than originally advertised so the obvious question is, what happened?

Topweight is what happened. The Israeli’s, as they are so often prone to do simply tried to cram 10 pounds of potato’s in a 5 pound bag. The ships lack the volume and weight reserves to carry all of the originally intended equipment and yet may still suffer from stability problems. These 85-meter, 1,200 ton corvette’s are hardly more capable than the 488 ton, 61-meter FAC they succeed. To me this smacks of utter and complete failure both on the part of the shipbuilders but also and especially on the part of the Israeli Navy.
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hmmwv

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Mysterre said:
Well we haven't seen what's on the starboard side yet, unless you have a photo that I missed.
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Wuhan launch in post #735.
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asif iqbal said:
Ok so to sum up we have a total of 5 x Type 056 under development in 3 shipyards

2 x in HD, 2 x in HP and 1 x in Wuhan, and all this within few short months, this means this ship is going to be built in very large numbers in various configurations, I can see 1 ship per month launched that's 12 per year
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2x in HD, 3 x in HP, 1x in WC, 1x in LN. This doesn't count modules visible for a fourth unit at HP, or ships under construction in doors at WC and LN.
 
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jackliu said:
Many people are comparing 056 to US's
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From what I see, it seems 056 is a lot smaller, but yet it packs much more firepower than LCS. Both ship have point range anti air missile. A main turret, and machine guns (LCS have more).

The main difference is that LCS carries a short range
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. While 056 carries C-803 anti ship missiles. And 056 also carries torpedo. Firepower wise, I think 056 is clearly on top.

However one distinct advantage LCS have over 056 is that it have a dedicated halo hanger, and it can carry 2 halo on board if necessary, but I'm pretty sure it is not being used for ASW. Another difference is that LCS is suppose to be able to fit independent modules per mission requirements, so not sure what does that means, or what kind of module it can fit etc...

What surprises the most is that LCS's displacement is about 2x the amount of 056.

Anyone have any thought on comparing the 2 ships?
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Who are these many people? Are they all jokers? The PLAN 056 is a barely armed conventional patrol boat while the US LCS (all types) are state-of-the-art high speed, long endurance, offensive modular arsenal boats. It's like comparing a PAP regular to an armed-to-the-teeth Rambo.
 
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jackliu

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PanAsian said:
Who are these many people? Are they all jokers? The PLAN 056 is a barely armed conventional patrol boat while the US LCS (all types) are state-of-the-art high speed, long endurance, offensive modular arsenal boats. It's like comparing a PAP regular to an armed-to-the-teeth Rambo.
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I won't call 056 a patrol boat, or LCS Rambo. Firepower wise, 056 has a lot more. Endurance and milti mission wise, LCS come out on top. But don't make it sound like one is clearly superior than the other.
 
Mysterre

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jackliu said:
I won't call 056 a patrol boat, or LCS Rambo. Firepower wise, 056 has a lot more. Endurance and milti mission wise, LCS come out on top. But don't make it sound like one is clearly superior than the other.
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You're comparing a ship designed to be an inexpensive, mass-produced, patrol workhorse to a high tech machine that's DOUBLE the size and is intended for a completely different use; there is no basis of comparison here beyond the fact that they are both ships. Besides, if necessary the LCS (either of them) could easily be modified to outgun the 056. It's like comparing a mule to a thoroughbred and asking which one is "better".
 
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joshuatree

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Mysterre said:
You're comparing a ship designed to be an inexpensive, mass-produced, patrol workhorse to a high tech machine that's DOUBLE the size and is intended for a completely different use; there is no basis of comparison here beyond the fact that they are both ships. Besides, if necessary the LCS (either of them) could easily be modified to outgun the 056. It's like comparing a mule to a thoroughbred and asking which one is "better".
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Well there's more to it than just the fact that both are ships. Both are littoral focused vessels as well. And I think that's where jackliu started the comparison. However, that's also pretty much where the comparison stops because as many already pointed out, the roles and intent are different. To someone else who called the 056 barely armed, I disagree with that. It's properly armed for its size and role. It will do significant damage to an opponent if used in the right manner. The US LCS appear to be lightly armed when only looking at the standardized armament but the key would be the mission module which is a wild card.

056 is based on proven and mature systems. While I haven't seen any more discussion of price, it wouldn't be a stretch to say it is relatively cheap. US LCS are in a quasi-experimental stage as they are fielding two different designs, both having some developmental pains and cost overruns.
 
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I think you would all do better discussing what the ship is, rather than what it is not or trying to compare it with ships that are also nothing like it.

I remember the original Chinese Designation of the 056 as a Light Frigate and I think that is useful in trying to understand what it is meant to be used for.

The 056 appears as a ship designed to operate in numbers in the littorals and near abroad, but not intended to travel very great distances from base. The most obvious role for the ship will be to enforce Chinese Claims in the South and East China Seas, where the size of the individual units can be offset by being under the Chinese Air Defence Umbrella and backed up on the water by the killing power of the Type 022's and of course Subs.

This then will free up the real Frigates and Destroyers to do what they should be doing, which is long distance, Blue Water missions, along with other larger Capital Ships.

My apologies in advance to anyone who may have made the same or similar points already, but you know the trouble with very large threads....:eek:
 
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Franklin

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Can some one explain these openings. Are those really necessary ? Those could be considered weak spots on the ship that could be exploited by the opponents.

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