056 class FFL/corvette

bd popeye · Aug 11, 2012

Correct delft^^^

Generally speaking most ships fuel is on the very bottom of the keel in tanks. Great care is given to use the fuel so as the buoyancy of the vessel is not affected.

Mysterre · Aug 11, 2012

bd popeye said:
Correct delft^^^

Generally speaking most ships fuel is on the very bottom of the keel in tanks. Great care is given to use the fuel so as the buoyancy of the vessel is not affected.

This is actually what I was about to say.

By fuel I don't mean the bunker fuel used to feed the engines, I mean what is stored in barrels and cans along with the rest of the "stores", stuff that is used on everything else besides the engines. I doubt the RHIB's, helo's, and other fuel-run equipment on the ship could tolerate even a drop of bunker fuel. We're talking about a few tons of fuel and stores back there at most (perishables like food, etc.). If a 1,000-1,400t ship can't tolerate that kind of weight variation what happens when a helicopter lands on top?

tphuang · Aug 11, 2012

A.Man said:
The crew, reportedly 60, is less than 037.

hmm, these report that you talk about. Do you have a link for them?

Many people are comparing 056 to US's LCS.

From what I see, it seems 056 is a lot smaller, but yet it packs much more firepower than LCS. Both ship have point range anti air missile. A main turret, and machine guns (LCS have more).

The main difference is that LCS carries a short range anti ground missile. While 056 carries C-803 anti ship missiles. And 056 also carries torpedo. Firepower wise, I think 056 is clearly on top.

However one distinct advantage LCS have over 056 is that it have a dedicated halo hanger, and it can carry 2 halo on board if necessary, but I'm pretty sure it is not being used for ASW. Another difference is that LCS is suppose to be able to fit independent modules per mission requirements, so not sure what does that means, or what kind of module it can fit etc...

What surprises the most is that LCS's displacement is about 2x the amount of 056.

Anyone have any thought on comparing the 2 ships?

you are comparing a ship designed as an offshore patrol vessel to a ship that's designed to be able to operated on other countries' littorals and travel at over 40 knots that can install different modules for different combat missions?

Franklin · Aug 11, 2012

The crew of the Israeli Sa'ar 5 corvettes which is similar in size to the Type 056 corvettes is 64 ship crew + 10 air crew that's 74 crew in total on board and the Sa'ar 5 corvettes features a helicopter hanger which the Type 056 doesn't.

I found this through Wikipedia about the crew size of the Type 056 which according to this article is 60.

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joshuatree · Aug 11, 2012

Mysterre said:
And now that I think about it, that "helicopter maintenance" area is using way too much space on a ship that doesn't even have a hangar. It's probably used for something else (maybe the CIC or a conference/rec room).

Not if they actually field some sort of UAV. That maintenance area would store it.

Mysterre said:
I’m guessing maybe 52 enlisted (4 people per 3m x 2.5m room), 6 junior officers (2 to a room), and 2 senior officers (1 room each). That’s 17 suites, then you have to figure mess hall, kitchen, toilets/showers, conference/planning room? What else is there? Hot bunking two to a bed would net you 6 rooms less I guess, assuming 2 per bed.

Is that presuming the bunk is just top and bottom or tripled stack?

antiterror13 · Aug 11, 2012

Franklin said:
The crew of the Israeli Sa'ar 5 corvettes which is similar in size to the Type 056 corvettes is 64 ship crew + 10 air crew that's 74 crew in total on board and the Sa'ar 5 corvettes features a helicopter hanger which the Type 056 doesn't.

I found this through Wikipedia about the crew size of the Type 056 which according to this article is 60.

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Why Chinese engineers/designers couldn't come up with similar arrangement as Israeli Sa'ar 5 corvette. It has 64 (yes 64!) Barak1 VLS SAM. Both have similar size and displacement, it seems the Israeli one is much better

Franklin · Aug 11, 2012

antiterror13 said:
Why Chinese engineers/designers couldn't come up with similar arrangement as Israeli Sa'ar 5 corvette. It has 64 (yes 64!) Barak1 VLS SAM. Both have similar size and displacement, it seems the Israeli one is much better

Here is a video of the Sa'ar 5 testing the barak missile system i can only count 16 VLS SAM's.

[video=youtube;lIurtqu6eEo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIurtqu6eEo[/video]

joshuatree · Aug 11, 2012

antiterror13 said:
Why Chinese engineers/designers couldn't come up with similar arrangement as Israeli Sa'ar 5 corvette. It has 64 (yes 64!) Barak1 VLS SAM. Both have similar size and displacement, it seems the Israeli one is much better

Sa'ar 5 is top heavy, too much isn't a good thing either.

hmmwv · Aug 11, 2012

Mysterre said:
I had way too much time on my hands, so I kept going with my little thought experiment:

Good drawing, just a few pointers, first of all there is only on RHIB on the port side, second the fuel/store area in the stern seems to be too big, perhaps only need about half the space, you can store spare parts, etc in the space up in the bow. Also the helicopter maintenance area is most likely smaller and located under the helipad where the starboard RHIB is.

Mysterre · Aug 11, 2012

joshuatree said:
Is that presuming the bunk is just top and bottom or tripled stack?

I'm assuming 4 bunks per room and most rooms are shared by two shifts of junior enlisted men. It's my understanding that most senior enlisted and officers don't usually hot-bunk.

hmmwv said:
Good drawing, just a few pointers, first of all there is only on RHIB on the port side, second the fuel/store area in the stern seems to be too big, perhaps only need about half the space, you can store spare parts, etc in the space up in the bow. Also the helicopter maintenance area is most likely smaller and located under the helipad where the starboard RHIB is.

Well we haven't seen what's on the starboard side yet, unless you have a photo that I missed. That bow area labeled as machine shops would house stuff like a power generator and backup generator, batteries, maybe a desalination plant, AC unit, work rooms, etc.

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