056 class FFL/corvette

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jackliu

Banned Idiot
Here is a conjectural interior layout I just drew up:

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Blue: bridge, CIC
Orange: torpedo/helicopter handling area
Green: living spaces
White: RHIB/mooring area
Red: main gun ammo system
Black: propulsion
Yellow: fuel, stores

Since when did this ship have torpedo?
 

joshuatree

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Did any official or media source mention what size crew this ship has? It looks like available living space is pretty much only going to be on deck 2, forward of what I presume are the RHIB bays. Accounting for that main passageway going through the middle of the deck, it doesn't seem like there's alot of room left.

The crew, reportedly 60, is less than 037.

At 60 and using a hot bunking system, deck 2 is plenty. And if they start to decommission an 037 for every 056 being commissioned, manpower is readily available.
 

Mysterre

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At 60 and using a hot bunking system, deck 2 is plenty. And if they start to decommission an 037 for every 056 being commissioned, manpower is readily available.
The crew, reportedly 60, is less than 037.
I’m guessing maybe 52 enlisted (4 people per 3m x 2.5m room), 6 junior officers (2 to a room), and 2 senior officers (1 room each). That’s 17 suites, then you have to figure mess hall, kitchen, toilets/showers, conference/planning room? What else is there? Hot bunking two to a bed would net you 6 rooms less I guess, assuming 2 per bed.
 

jackliu

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Many people are comparing 056 to US's
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From what I see, it seems 056 is a lot smaller, but yet it packs much more firepower than LCS. Both ship have point range anti air missile. A main turret, and machine guns (LCS have more).

The main difference is that LCS carries a short range
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. While 056 carries C-803 anti ship missiles. And 056 also carries torpedo. Firepower wise, I think 056 is clearly on top.

However one distinct advantage LCS have over 056 is that it have a dedicated halo hanger, and it can carry 2 halo on board if necessary, but I'm pretty sure it is not being used for ASW. Another difference is that LCS is suppose to be able to fit independent modules per mission requirements, so not sure what does that means, or what kind of module it can fit etc...

What surprises the most is that LCS's displacement is about 2x the amount of 056.

Anyone have any thought on comparing the 2 ships?
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
The LCS-F (Freedom class LCS, the Indepedence class LCS is a very different animal so I think it is important to differentiate between them) has 2.5x as many RAM missiles as the 056, so I think that should be pointed out as its quite a big difference.

However, I think the main differences between the two are the result of the roles they were designed for.

The LCS-F is meant as largely an offensive ship, whereas the 056 is one designed for defensive missions. The two are also designed to hunt very different prey, which affected their choice of primary armaments.

I would expect the LCS-F to have much more range compared to the 056 since it will need to transit half way around the world to get from home base to it's intended area of operation whereas the 056 Only have to cover a short hop in comparison.

Since the LCS-F is intended to be able to deploy independently to pretty much any coast on earth, they would have been designed to be ocean going, and I would expect the LCS-F to have much better at weathering rougher seas compared to the 056.

I think that is where much of the difference in size between the two classes comes from. The USN required a ship with much more ferry range and high sea-keeping capabilities, which pretty much required a much bigger ship than the 056, and also a dedicated hanger.

I would also expect the LCS-F to be able to better at independent operations. Both ship classes are designed to operate with air defense and sensor support from larger friendly warships and/or airborne assets, however, I think the LCS-F would still be able to use all of its weapons to full effect without any 3rd party support, whereas the 056 clear would not be able to use its C802s at anything like full effective range without off-board targeting.

As a consequence of this, I think the LCS-F will have better sensors and battle management systems compared to the 056(which would help to account for the smaller crew size on the 056). The LCS-F should also be more individually flexible because of the mission model design.

The 056 is a bare bones general purpose patrol corvette (they might develop different variants for more specialised missions like ASW at a later date), it was designed to be cheap to build and operate in large numbers close to home. The LCS-F is a power projection ship built on the cheap. They might be largely similar, but they have very different missions in mind when they were designed.
 

Mysterre

Banned Idiot
I had way too much time on my hands, so I kept going with my little thought experiment:

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Credit to Jeff Head for original image

And now that I think about it, that "helicopter maintenance" area is using way too much space on a ship that doesn't even have a hangar. It's probably used for something else (maybe the CIC or a conference/rec room).
 
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delft

Brigadier
Here is a conjectural interior layout I just drew up:

type056interiorlayout.jpg


Blue: bridge, CIC
Orange: torpedo/helicopter handling area
Green: living spaces
White: RHIB/mooring area
Red: main gun ammo system
Black: propulsion
Yellow: fuel, stores
I would be unhappy with all my fuel at the stern. When running low on fuel the stern will rise and will lift the propellers while the stem sinks deeper. This will affect the handling of the vessel and reduce the size of the propellers that can be used. Much better have the fuel tanks near midships or have fuel tanks fore and aft.
 
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