056 class FFL/corvette

joshuatree · Aug 10, 2012

plawolf said:
Good idea of using the lock limits as a guide. But we need to remember just how deep inland the Three Geoges Damn is. The further up river, the shallower and narrower the river, so if the river at the Three Gorges Damn can take 10,000k ships, the stretches of the river near the coast should be able to take far heavier ships.

Are you guys trying to see which shipyards might be able to construct the rumoured new 10,000k cruiser class? If so I think that shipyard infrastructure and the experience and skill of the workers would be the main limiting factors as opposed to the location of the yards.

You're right, for some reason I thought Wuhan was upstream from the Three Gorges Dam when it's actually downstream.

jackliu · Aug 10, 2012

plawolf said:
Good idea of using the lock limits as a guide. But we need to remember just how deep inland the Three Geoges Damn is. The further up river, the shallower and narrower the river, so if the river at the Three Gorges Damn can take 10,000k ships, the stretches of the river near the coast should be able to take far heavier ships.

Are you guys trying to see which shipyards might be able to construct the rumoured new 10,000k cruiser class? If so I think that shipyard infrastructure and the experience and skill of the workers would be the main limiting factors as opposed to the location of the yards.

Not that, I just got a feeling that if a massive war broke out, those ship yards in Shanghai, Dailan and all coastal shipyard will get destroyed very quickly. So if China is able to construct the same ships way inland, they will have much higher chance of survival.

Mysterre · Aug 10, 2012

jackliu said:
Not that, I just got a feeling that if a massive war broke out, those ship yards in Shanghai, Dailan and all coastal shipyard will get destroyed very quickly. So if China is able to construct the same ships way inland, they will have much higher chance of survival.

You're talking about a total war scenario with the US. Anything less than a total war will not see the US having the gall to attack civilian targets, even if they are dual use. And no other country could devastate China's infrastructure on that level. The chance of that kind of war happening, however, is close to zero. So why increase the costs of construction and transportation building from an inland port on that one in a million chance? Besides, I'm sure they already have contingency plans in place for every scenario, even this one, i.e. locations/depths already scoped out, what manpower/materials will need to be accumulated at a new site quickly, how to set up efficient transportation to that site, what kind of air defense planning needs to happen, etc.

no_name · Aug 10, 2012

jackliu said:
Not that, I just got a feeling that if a massive war broke out, those ship yards in Shanghai, Dailan and all coastal shipyard will get destroyed very quickly. So if China is able to construct the same ships way inland, they will have much higher chance of survival.

I think if it already comes down to coastal shipyards being finished off you might as well stop building ocean going ships and redirect resources to other things.

MwRYum · Aug 10, 2012

Looks like the new ships are still using the current pennant number font scheme, that means the new style is still far from being approved.

delft · Aug 10, 2012

Mysterre said:
You're talking about a total war scenario with the US. Anything less than a total war will not see the US having the gall to attack civilian targets, even if they are dual use. And no other country could devastate China's infrastructure on that level. The chance of that kind of war happening, however, is close to zero. So why increase the costs of construction and transportation building from an inland port on that one in a million chance? Besides, I'm sure they already have contingency plans in place for every scenario, even this one, i.e. locations/depths already scoped out, what manpower/materials will need to be accumulated at a new site quickly, how to set up efficient transportation to that site, what kind of air defense planning needs to happen, etc.

Some twenty or thirty thousand years ago a large part of an Hawaiian volcano dropped into the ocean causing a tsunami so strong that the resulting damage to Australian coastal mountains has been identified. If something like that happened or if an asteroid fell into the Pacific the coastal installation will be destroyed. This would be a very major disaster but you want to have the ability to replace some of your loss with industry on the banks of major rivers.

A.Man · Aug 10, 2012

No. 4 056 of the 4th Shipyard, Liaonan of Dalian, Liaoning Province (First of Liaonan)

plawolf · Aug 10, 2012

Mysterre said:
You're talking about a total war scenario with the US. Anything less than a total war will not see the US having the gall to attack civilian targets, even if they are dual use. And no other country could devastate China's infrastructure on that level. The chance of that kind of war happening, however, is close to zero. So why increase the costs of construction and transportation building from an inland port on that one in a million chance? Besides, I'm sure they already have contingency plans in place for every scenario, even this one, i.e. locations/depths already scoped out, what manpower/materials will need to be accumulated at a new site quickly, how to set up efficient transportation to that site, what kind of air defense planning needs to happen, etc.

Tell that to the Serbs.

Mysterre · Aug 10, 2012

delft said:
Some twenty or thirty thousand years ago a large part of an Hawaiian volcano dropped into the ocean causing a tsunami so strong that the resulting damage to Australian coastal mountains has been identified. If something like that happened or if an asteroid fell into the Pacific the coastal installation will be destroyed. This would be a very major disaster but you want to have the ability to replace some of your loss with industry on the banks of major rivers.

Again, you are providing a scenario so remote that acting like it is definitely going to happen is a huge waste of money. It would be like you "prepping" for the end of the world by stocking up on 30 years of food, water, toiletries and weaponry, just in case. Do you do it, and if not, why not? After all, it could happen. Nuclear war, alien invasion, asteroid impact, global economic collapse, etc. Like I said, it would shock me if the Chinese leadership did NOT already draw up contingency plans to relocate ship construction inland in case of attack or natural disaster, but this does not mean they actually have to move up there now.

plawolf said:
Tell that to the Serbs.

China isn't Serbia. Not even close.

joshuatree · Aug 10, 2012

A.Man said:
No. 4 056 of the 4th Shipyard, Liaonan of Dalian, Liaoning Province (First of Liaonan)

Nice! I think this pic may be the first here with the side hangar door opened? If so, anything new we can deduce from it? I'm still now quite sure why the rear has all those openings considering they went with a stealthy design. Anyone think more shipyards will jump into this production run? That be impressive if they launch 10-12 units annually. It be like churning out flotillas, not just individual units.

056 class FFL/corvette

joshuatree

Captain

jackliu

Banned Idiot

Mysterre

Banned Idiot

no_name

Colonel

MwRYum

Major

delft

Brigadier

A.Man

Major

plawolf

Lieutenant General

Mysterre

Banned Idiot

joshuatree

Captain