056 class FFL/corvette

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Lion

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You are right about the HQ10's multiple target engagement advantage, but it also compromises at range and warhead lethality. The 76A guns on older ships utilize double hit probability theory, using a combination of radio proximity HEFRAG shells at long range (3000m) and APFSDS at close range (<1000m), they are not completely useless against sea skimmers. Those ships are by no means better than 056 at air defense, but certainly not inferior.

I'd be very surprised if 056 carries reloading mechanism for the HQ10, it's designed to be a flexible system that maximizes on compatibility, which means no deck penetration. OTOH I think they have the capability to reload manually at sea, that's how USN reload their SeaRAMs.

BUt USN RAM are usually install on big ships which are less prone to high sea rocking. 056 is only 1300tons and North Sea and South China sea is by no means calm. Manual loading will be highly dangerous. I belive auto reloading mechanism for FL-3000N missile need not to be too big since the missile is not huge after all.
 

hmmwv

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There are plenty of small FACs that uses the SeaRAM. That won't be a priority for 056 because manually reload the missiles will only happen in emergencies, like I said before, it's extremely unlikely for a 056 to expend all 8 rounds. To alter the ship's structure and install a mechanism that may not be used at all in its service life contradicts the programs objective to build a simple and cheap ship. Yes it'd be nice to have 18 rounds or an autoloader, it'll be even better if there is a hangar, but they are not trying to build the perfect corvette, they are building a good enough ship for the mundane, less risky patrols.
 

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If ever China was to be the target of air attack coming over the Ocean, I can easily see these ships playing the role of deep second tier air defence extending many miles out from shore covered by a screen of Capitol Ships.

In this role China would have (eventually) some 30 - 50 mobile SAM Sites to break up incoming air formations and to try and finish off those heading back to base afterwards.

Put that into context with a Integrated Air Defence Network on both land sea and Air, and I think they form a formidable component within it.
 

timepass

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Until now J-10B remains a rumour. No contract signed and no announce of how many procure and delivery date. Worst, there is no follow up.

So you can't be sure of 056 Corvette too.



Here is the prof of J10B deal for PAF, initial order is for 36 Aircrafts & as per sources the numbers will reach till 150.

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Mysterre

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You are right about the HQ10's multiple target engagement advantage, but it also compromises at range and warhead lethality. The 76A guns on older ships utilize double hit probability theory, using a combination of radio proximity HEFRAG shells at long range (3000m) and APFSDS at close range (<1000m), they are not completely useless against sea skimmers. Those ships are by no means better than 056 at air defense, but certainly not inferior.
I'm not sure if it's much of a compromise. I doubt any antiship missiles could survive a hit from an HQ-10 if they could not survive one from an HQ-7. As far as range goes, the often quoted range of the HQ-7 is against aerial, non-seaskimming targets. It would be much less against missiles. I'm guessing those two missiles are probably very close to each other in terms of range vs ASCM's. Also, if the older main gun can take out a missile, I have no doubt such a capability has been retained in more recent iterations of the gun.
 

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There are plenty of small FACs that uses the SeaRAM. That won't be a priority for 056 because manually reload the missiles will only happen in emergencies, like I said before, it's extremely unlikely for a 056 to expend all 8 rounds. To alter the ship's structure and install a mechanism that may not be used at all in its service life contradicts the programs objective to build a simple and cheap ship. Yes it'd be nice to have 18 rounds or an autoloader, it'll be even better if there is a hangar, but they are not trying to build the perfect corvette, they are building a good enough ship for the mundane, less risky patrols.
Well said, and I tend to agree.

Thiough I believe they could mount two of the eight round mounts (one forward and one aft) if the PLAN's idea for these vessels does not include the need...why do it?

It might expand the flexability and use, but if the PLAN does not envision this in any case, there is no need and the eight round mouit will suffice, particularly if these vessels stay relatively close to shore.
 

hmmwv

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Also, if the older main gun can take out a missile, I have no doubt such a capability has been retained in more recent iterations of the gun.

The new 30mm remote gun is more of a weapon against small surface targets replacing the old 14.5mm HMG, it's manually control via the optical sensor so it's anti air capability is very limited. OTOH the new 76mm main gun does have anti air capability.
 
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