A 8 cell FL-3000N missile launcher WTF. What is this ? A Disney cruise ship ? I always thought it would be a 18 cell missile launcher. Is this a cost issue or a weight issue ? If it has to do with weight then this ship is better off with a Type 730 CIWS that can be used both for offensive as defensive purposes.
056 class FFL/corvette
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asif iqbal
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reasonable ship, with reasonable weapons, good for coastal operations and will take the burden off ships like Type 054A and Type 052C, which is really probably the intention for these ships
then China can use its top enders for serious escort duties, i mean if a Type 056 can do the job why have a Type 054A doing it
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lets wait and see until it is fully fitted out and what other ships have, we didnt think Azmat Class would have a CIWS but it did and a pretty good one at that
then China can use its top enders for serious escort duties, i mean if a Type 056 can do the job why have a Type 054A doing it
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lets wait and see until it is fully fitted out and what other ships have, we didnt think Azmat Class would have a CIWS but it did and a pretty good one at that
There are also two 30mm remote controlled guns in addition to the main 76mm DP gun. There's no need for another gun ciws, and 056 should never be put in the position where it needs more than 8 FL-3000N missiles in the first place.
Its current load out, 76mm gun, 2 30mm guns, 8 cell SAM and 4 200km AShMs are an excellent weapons fit for a ship this size and can probably outfight most ships in SCS country's navies.
This won't be a ship to use in the front lines and will be a part of the "B team" of the PLAN to take the place of jianghus and the like.
30mm gun
At its peak 022s were built at around 14 a year, I very much doubt 056's production rate will be more than 6 a year at its peak.
Its air defense is superior to Jianghus but not better than HHQ7 equipped ships, especially considering most of them have multiple radar guided 37mm autocannons too.
The launcher doesn't penetrate the deck so it can easily be switched with a 18 round unit, I'm positive all the connections are plug and play too.
It's more of a necessity issue, if a 056 is ever involved in a conflict that requires it firing all eight rounds then whoever in PLAN sent the ship deserves to be punched in the face. Cost is clearly an issue here since a 8 round unit will be cheaper than a 18 round unit, and PLAN fully expect the ship to only operate in an area that doesn't have serious air threat. If they plan to send it along with a larger task force to a real war then they can just mount a 18 round HHQ10 there. Weight wise I think H/PJ12 is actually heavier, also it's larger as it requires deck penetration so probably structurally incompatible with 056's design.
antiterror13
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I don't think 18 round is super super expensive, the difference of 8 and 18 round would be minimal, perhaps roughly $1M .. just a peanut
My thoughts exactly.
At first I was a bit surprised at the small load of missiles - what the hell?! only 8?
But when I thought about it, with the location on top of the aft superstructure, top weight definitely came to mind.
They probably will rely on manual relaods for this.
I think auto reload exist. Manual load will be too slow. Especially in rough sea, manual load will be highly dangerous.
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There are also two 30mm remote controlled guns in addition to the main 76mm DP gun. There's no need for another gun ciws, and 056 should never be put in the position where it needs more than 8 FL-3000N missiles in the first place.
Its current load out, 76mm gun, 2 30mm guns, 8 cell SAM and 4 200km AShMs are an excellent weapons fit for a ship this size and can probably outfight most ships in SCS country's navies.
This won't be a ship to use in the front lines and will be a part of the "B team" of the PLAN to take the place of jianghus and the like.
30mm gun
Witht the twin 30mm cannon, Type 056 now looks better armed and suit the mission it needs to fulfil. Patrol coastal and shallow water warfare..
Mysterre
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The Type 056 also has guided autocannons. OTOH, none of those autocannons are particularly good at taking out missiles, guided or not. Those things are mainly good for helos, low-flying aircraft, and nearby surface targets. And HQ-7 can attack only one target at a time, whereas the FL-3000N launcher can attack as many targets as it has missiles. 8 in this case.
You are right about the HQ10's multiple target engagement advantage, but it also compromises at range and warhead lethality. The 76A guns on older ships utilize double hit probability theory, using a combination of radio proximity HEFRAG shells at long range (3000m) and APFSDS at close range (<1000m), they are not completely useless against sea skimmers. Those ships are by no means better than 056 at air defense, but certainly not inferior.
I'd be very surprised if 056 carries reloading mechanism for the HQ10, it's designed to be a flexible system that maximizes on compatibility, which means no deck penetration. OTOH I think they have the capability to reload manually at sea, that's how USN reload their SeaRAMs.
I'd be very surprised if 056 carries reloading mechanism for the HQ10, it's designed to be a flexible system that maximizes on compatibility, which means no deck penetration. OTOH I think they have the capability to reload manually at sea, that's how USN reload their SeaRAMs.
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