aquauant
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Read your post on China and Hong Kong.
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Read your post on China and Hong Kong.
056 class FFL/corvette
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Read your post on China and Hong Kong.
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Read your post on China and Hong Kong.
Actually Huizhou tax payers paid for this ship, hence the name
Justify the top weight, cost and reliability hits against the gains in capability in the context of the ship's operational requirements.
Hint: Stacking as much dakka on a semi-floating hull as you can get away with does not a good design make.
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Why do you expect 11? Have you done a comprehensive evaluation of the costs and benefits of the weapon system? Do you even know what the operational requirement of the class? I am guessing not because the PLAN hadn't told us yet. Before it launched we weren't even sure whether it was a corvette or an OPV, whether it was ASW or even leaders for the 022s. Bottom line is, you can't judge a ship by the amount of bling it carries. You don't say the SR-71 is a rubbish plane because it carries fewer weapons than a MiG-21.
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Let's take your figure and run with it. That's a million that has to be replaced every few years (missiles are not imperishable); increases wear and tear, and is basically sunk cost unless some idiots decide to fire more than 4 AShMs at the 056. Assuming a crew of 100, that's about 10K per crew member over let's say 3/4 years.
That's a substantial increase in salary for a Chinese sailor. Think what that would do for morale, retention of skilled NCO, training, etc.
Bottom line is: Running an effective military isn't about bolting every available gun on every available surface. You design things to fit a purpose, and over-engineering is almost as bad as under-engineering. Asks the Germans about the King Tiger some time.
MwRYum
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SAR like Hong Kong or Macau have not to pay a cent in terms of defense, except to provide necessary land for the PLA garrisons station within the territory, by most account the PLA keep itself out of sight and out of mind to the local populace, so much so common folks feels nothing about a full light mechanized battalion sitting around.
Then you got the annual army open house event on Labor Day, probably the only places in China that have things like that on a regular basis.
By what I've heard ship's naming right is a highly contested one, other than some degree of tribute to the navy, the city that got the honors would have to put in some extra efforts into the veteran affairs as well...but Hong Kong and Macau SAR residents are exempted from the drafting law that applies to all Chinese male citizens (there's such law, though "if they'd actually call you in" is another matter, afterall China has a huge pool of manpower). Besides, Hong Kong and Macau are not classified as "cities" but "special administrative region" so they're out of the game unless the rule changes.
Now if they'd really gonna station it in Hong Kong, AND if they could finish the builder's trial and hand over to PLAN before the end of this year, we're looking at a star attraction in the open house next year, and the Stonecutter Island base ticket will be a hell lot harder to get...again.
Keep in mind that they can simply have a 22-missile launcher and only load 8 missiles in there. Who says you have to fill up as many silos as your launcher provides, and fire all of them every year. I personally think that there must be some kind of space issue at the base of launcher that prevents the launcher from getting too big. Otherwise, why would you spend extra money to come up with a new smaller launcher instead of using the ones that they have installed on the varyag. They could just install the some one on the 056 and put how many ever missile they need in the launcher. As far as the weight issue goes, I highly doubt that's the reason which prevents them from installing a slightly bigger launcher. If you look the proportion of the launcher to the ship, the a little bigger launcher will hardly be an issue.
Mysterre
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I'm betting the company that makes the launchers are selling the 8-round launcher cheaper than the 11-round launcher, even without the missiles. And in a ship like that, every kilo of topweight that you can shave off is a bonus. And as I said before, even with 8 rounds of HQ-10 this ship is now better defended than some DESTROYERS in the PLAN.
also don;'t forget HQ-10?/FL-3000 is fire and forget. where as HQ-7 is command guided and typically two shot per target and the tracking optical/radar is one target at a time.
also it wou;n't be hard to slave the 30mm auto-cannon with the whole ciws system. even it is manual it will benefit greatly from the cueing.
How much do you think this ship will cost? Here's a list of warship costs, the Sigma Class costs about $222 million a piece, while Danish Knud Rasmussen Class only $50million. Could this ship cost less than $80 million?
newwars.wordpress.com/warship-costs/
newwars.wordpress.com/warship-costs/
I think 056 would be quite cheap. Sigma class is inflated, it costs as much as a frigate. and with capability simuilar to a frigate.
my guess is way below 50 million $ unit cost. it uses almost all mature systems, and the total serial build would be large... also lower costs.
Sounds like a reasonable cost figure to me, particularly if they build a lot of them and do not get too fancy with the sensors or weapons fit...and from what we are seeing, they are not. Looks very capable for the mission it seems to be intended for, OPV.
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