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I agree Russia definitely doesn't *need* a full blown carrier group - but military spending is rarely rational. Can the US cite a rational need for ten carrier groups, or the British the honestly somewhat bizarre concept of two 70,000 ton STOVL carriers carrying 24 planes and a handful of whirlybirds a piece? The keeping up with the Jones' drive isn't rational, but is still very much a thing for post-Soviet Russia, and is no more (or less) rational than the others. The whole political narrative in Russia right now is that they are the rightful inheritors of Soviet superpower status and that they have been cheated and exploited by the west... and I don't think that's just propaganda - there is definitely a detectable strain of that belief informing Russian policy - were it not then the Kirovs and the Kuznetsov would have been pensioned off years ago.

That said, Russia's position isn't *enitely* irrational. Russia's ability to maintain relationships often depends on her ability to provide a counterweight ally to the west, as many of those relationships stem from the Soviet era - and in the more fragmented world she inherited from the USSR, a naval presence to provide that is more central now than it was back then - especially since Russia doesn't have a network of bases around the world, any naval presence she does send out will need to be more self contained than it's Soviet forebears, both in terms of endurance (less chance to refuel, as we saw with the Kuznetsov in Syria) and in terms of providing a rounded force without assistance from land based forces. While this could and really should take the form a re-imagined fleet based around destroyers, subs and smaller carriers or multirole vessels (something like the Clemenceau mixed with the Juan Carlos would seem well suited to Russia) she will always find it hard to give up on the sheer statement of power given by large capital ships.

China on the other hand, dependent on trade for her survival absolutely needs full carriers and DDGs to keep her sea lanes open, though it seems China's aim for a final fleet size is rather closer to a needs based reality than America's, and rather less... unique... than Britain's.
True , admittedly defense expenditures do often include a dose of irrationality at times. Well the US often cites the need for a 10 carrier fleet because of its self-professed title of guardian of the sea lanes and peace, meaning that it wants at least 1 carrier in every major ocean area in case of an emergency. The British on the other hand still has a need to defend far flung holdings like the Falklands and to act as a junior security partner for the US.
Agree on the point that Russia feels that it has been wronged by the West. But one must remember one of the reasons that Russia keep the Kuznetsove and the Kirovs around is that had they been retired early, Russia would practically have no major ships left. Now with the prospects of the Admiral Gorshkov frigates coming online, Russia now can at the very least consider the prospect of retiring some of the Udaloys and the Sovremnenys.
And more importantly, I think that the current Russia foreign policy mind set is to use less public display of capital ships and more on stand off capabilities like cruise missiles and stealth submarines. It has just as much political weight and it cost less, though admittedly it is far less impressive.
 

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Better believe it

Type 055 sails in 2018

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Apparently those new CNC bending machine was invented to built type 55 DDG. Not only is type 55 the largest ship in Chinese navy it is also the highest level of manufacturing accomplishment sofar
It propel Chinese shipbuilding to the next level

This article also show Chinese navy placed the importance of crew comfort when designing war ship, supporting the argument of people who said type 56 was designed with crew comfort in mind
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Type 055: the "secrets" of manufacture for the biggest Chinese destroyer
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The new Type 055 12,000-ton destroyer is not only the largest first-class warship ever built for the Chinese navy, but it is also, according to the latter's own words, the highest level of manufacturing. of shipbuilding in China.

Several of his "secrets" were revealed for the first time by the Chinese army in
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Type 055, man's needs at the heart of his design
Launched at the Changxing Jiangnan shipyard on June 28, 2017, the first Type 055 series had already "met" its future crew well before. Indeed, when this new Chinese destroyer was still in state of plan, the engineers of the 701 Institute, design office specializing in the design of naval naval CSIC surface warships, have already shown the interior layout of several compartments to the sailors and officers of the Chinese Navy who will receive the building by 2019.

But contrary to all expectations, the first return on the various cabins and compartments was rather mixed.

A first master "machine" spoke of unpleasant odors of sweat and oil could become persistent, after each service, if the space is too confined and not sufficiently ventilated. Others point out, for example, the lack of height of the floor in the access to the two helicopter hangars, which could impact the movement of personnel and equipment.

With these many returns, the designers have reviewed some of their designs, even for those who have already been frozen. Ten scale-scale physical models, such as those for the officer's and sailor's cabins, were then built so that the crew could test their future living environment to the smallest detail. A fundamental change in the way of working that is unthinkable in the past.


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"The first quality of a new vessel is the full satisfaction of its crew," said the deputy general manager of Changxing Jiangnan Shipyard, "The man remains at the heart of the design of any weapon, and not the opposite. "

Innovation = Risk?
GENG Long (耿 隆), assembly workshop manager, still remembers his decision.

According to the specifications of the Chinese Navy, speed is an important criterion for the new Type 055 and the use of a certain "special" lighter material seems to be the best technical choice that exists, although it is very easily deformable during welding.

GENG should then face the dilemma, between a new material whose welding was still a technical difficulty throughout China at the time, or another conventional material whose characteristics and work process are mastered. The schedule imposed by the client, the Chinese navy, is so tight that any risk-taking is inconsiderate.

It was only after nearly a thousand tests that the GENG team finally found a particular process that allowed them to choose the path that seemed to be much riskier at first.

But to weld the materials together is only a first hurdle, how to bend them into different shapes for the hull modules is quickly becoming another major challenge for the Chinese shipyard.

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The SKWB-2500 three-dimensional cold bender is able to exert a pressure of 6,000 tons on a sheet metal

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European manufacturers went to China to observe the Chinese bending machine

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Cold 3D bender patents filed in China, USA and Japan


A team combining the design office, the shipyard and the special machine manufacturers was formed quickly to develop
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Faced with this giant machine capable of applying pressure of more than 6,000 tons, Changxing Jiangnan chief engineer laughs: "This is the artifact that finally solved all our problems ...".

"This project is like a net that has pushed us to develop all innovations, as small as they are, and to weave them together," says GENG not without emotion.


A "millimetric" project that puts man under the orders of machine
The launch of the first Type 055, a form totally different from the usual Chinese warships, quickly made the buzz on the Internet in China.

"Everyone at the construction site has given their heart and soul to this beautiful façade," says the "master welder" CHEN Jing Yi (陈景毅), voted best worker in China with several patents in the field of welding by the pocket, "He we are asked to control the size of each main module to an accuracy of 2 to 3 millimeters, so that the modules can assemble without major adjustment, but no one had managed to find the method to do it at the beginning. "
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Two more Type 055 destroyers simultaneously under construction at Dalian Shipyard

During the analysis meetings, some experts point out the process and the quality management, stressing that even if the processes were correct and are assisted by the robots, but the control was always done according to the personal experience of each technician .

CHEN, with his team, then embarked on a project to network all the welding machines and connect them to a large database, in order to precisely control the parameters of each welding spot.

"Before, it was the man who said to the machine how to do, now it is the machine that guides the man in each of his gestures," says CHEN, "All the parameters are pre-configured in each machine, including current and voltage, and the system will automatically shut down welding and human work if things go out of tolerance. "

Before it is a revolution in the everyday working method for technicians, it is above all a major cultural change for them and for the Chinese industrialist.

And this is probably the most important added value brought by the Type 055 project.


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An amazing picture of the size and breadth of the PLAN buildup.

Amazing. 3 Type 055s and 5 Type 052Ds right there in the one yard.
Indeed it is, I always have had a soft spot for naval forces,ever since I pick up a book about submarines. Especially principal surface combatants, the crown jewel of the modern navy is the aircraft carrier true, but it was always the direct attack ships like frigates, ships of the line and destroyers that bears the burden of the fleet.
Imagine, to captain one of these beauties (Type 055), especially the lead ship. Must be a privilege indeed. All the more when it is call upon in combat, which hopefully will never happen.
 

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A team combining the design office, the shipyard and the special machine manufacturers was formed quickly to develop
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Faced with this giant machine capable of applying pressure of more than 6,000 tons, Changxing Jiangnan chief engineer laughs: "This is the artifact that finally solved all our problems ...".

"This project is like a net that has pushed us to develop all innovations, as small as they are, and to weave them together," says GENG not without emotion.

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Eight hundred cylinder in the machine.
Insane to maintain, and one malfunctioning can scrap the sheet.

However it is hard to found/train workers workers for the manual forming machines.

And by the pictures of the type 055 the whole hull constructed from 3d bended sheets, not only the front sections ,and part of the rear like on merchant ships.
 

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Eight hundred cylinder in the machine.
Insane to maintain, and one malfunctioning can scrap the sheet.

However it is hard to found/train workers workers for the manual forming machines.

And by the pictures of the type 055 the whole hull constructed from 3d bended sheets, not only the front sections ,and part of the rear like on merchant ships.

Each ball shaped head in the bender machibe can rotate independently. Also notice they press in a particular order not just all are once.
 
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