055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[latenlazy]

The idea is built around it already.

The Rule is meant for when someone posts a Chinese version...when they do, they should post the translation.

What you are asking is if someone posts an American translation that they should post the original Chinese where it came from.

I have no problem with this as long as they have it available to them.

The problem is that they may be posting something from a source that did the translation themselves and does not post the original. In which case the poster will not have access to it.

I will put something to the Mod team with the suggestion that we amend that rule a tad and simply say that if there is a Chinese version of the story available, that both the Chinese and the translation should be posted. That should cover it.

Thanks for hearing me out on this one.

 

[Jeff Head]

Seems like GaAs is the standard now.

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I will give you a day to get this post, and then your existing name will be deleted.

Unfortunately, there is currently no option to change one's name. I have asked the webmaster to look into it...but it would be understandable to me if he choose not to allow such an option because then users would never be able to keep track of who they were talking to.

 

[by78]

Zumwalt's CIC

Features the same "three screens to a table" configuration as the European FREMM, and even type 45. It also looks very COTS, in contrast to previous generations of more bulky consoles.

PLAN's 054A and 052B/C CICs looked relatively on par with equivalent US and European CICs of the era, as we can see below (or at least their consoles do), but is less sleek and definitely less roomy than newer ones.

I'd expect them to have made some advancements with the second batch of 052C and 052D, possibly using the same "larger screen" dual consoles inside 056's CIC

I'd hope 055, being supposedly a much larger ship, will have a more ergonomic and starship enterprise like feel, similar to modern european and USN ships.

A photo of a PLAN offshore simulator. I don't know how accurately these simulator consoles reflect their real-world counterparts, but they do show that PLAN has console designs other than what exist on their current warships.

 

[kwaigonegin]

On the contrary, from my experience a machine translated post without including the original Chinese is very difficult to correct, given that some of the output is so incomprehensible it can’t be reverse engineered without great difficult. This is doubly true when a lot of the leaks we get come in the form euphemisms written in literary or poetic language. Can we at least agree that if we’re going to post a machine translated post we should also include the original Chinese? Can we formally codify that practice?

Agreed which is why it has to have BOTH.. the original article AND also the machine translated one so the native speakers can give their input/corrections.

 

[kwaigonegin]

The idea is built around it already.

The Rule is maenat for when someone posts a Chinese version...when they do, they should post the translation.

What you are asking is if someone posts an American translation that they should post the original Chinese where it came from.

I have no problem with this as long as they have it available to them.

The problem is that they ay be posting something from a source that did the translation themselves and does not post the original. In which case the poster will not have access to it.

I will put something to the Mod team with the suggestion that we amend that rule a tad and simply say that if there is a Chinese version of the story available, that both the Chinese and the translation should be posted. That should cover it.

and ..if someone knowingly post something from a source that is already post-translated into English, perhaps they should just make a footnote indicating so.
That way others if choose to, can go dig up the original in Mandarin fron Chinese websites etc and amend to the post..
Problem solved

 

[snake65]

Wrong. The yellow arrow points to the fin actuator. The silver joint indicated by the red arrow does not need to exist except for the purpose of folding the fin.
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Don't fool yourself. There is nobody here so far who agrees with you.

Russians moved from "folded mid-wing" ( 9M330 Tor and 5B55 S-300PT) to "folded at the base" 48N6 S-400) design in their SAMs. Don't see a point why China has to stick to more obsolete design.

 

[Iron Man]

Russians moved from "folded mid-wing" ( 9M330 Tor and 5B55 S-300PT) to "folded at the base" 48N6 S-400) design in their SAMs. Don't see a point why China has to stick to more obsolete design.

I don't think one method of fin-folding is superior or inferior to the other. But the point is definitely that both methods are used. In the case of a dual-packed HHQ-9, folding at the base of the fin definitely maximizes the available interior space of the UVLS cell. In the case of the 48N6 photo, it actually seems to be folded in exactly the configuration that is needed to be dual-packed into a cell (two pairs of fins folded toward each other rather than in a spiral configuration).

 

[Klon]

What 星海军事 wrote in October as people were disappointed with the VLS count:

"'Exploring and mastering the development of 10,000-ton missile destroyer lays an important foundation for China to build its world's most advanced destroyer.'

-- 055 is just the beginning of another long march."

Does anyone know what he's quoting and what new destroyer it's referring to? Or just generically to a next generation one?

 

[SinoSoldier]

What 星海军事 wrote in October as people were disappointed with the VLS count:

"'Exploring and mastering the development of 10,000-ton missile destroyer lays an important foundation for China to build its world's most advanced destroyer.'

-- 055 is just the beginning of another long march."

Does anyone know what he's quoting and what new destroyer it's referring to? Or just generically to a next generation one?

During a PLAN presentation, there was a CG of a Zumwalt-type destroyer of a tumblehome configuration, but I can't find it. If somebody finds it, please post it!

 

[Blitzo]

During a PLAN presentation, there was a CG of a Zumwalt-type destroyer of a tumblehome configuration, but I can't find it. If somebody finds it, please post it!

I remember what you refer to, but IMO that picture was probably just a placeholder -- in fact I think most of the CGIs and drawings in that slideshow were placeholders that will not or did not necessarily reflect what the real thing will look like.


As for Klon's question -- it could equally refer to a generic next generation destroyer or the next 055 variant that everyone expects to be built in due time. Or it can even refer to the ever continuing quest to continue R&D and modernization of capabilities in line with the advancement of worldwide trends and competitors.
The point is that 055 as we see it is merely the beginning and not the end.