Lethe
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Nice CGI, fingers crossed we can get some actual photographs of the two types together!
055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread
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Nice CGI, fingers crossed we can get some actual photographs of the two types together!
Jura The idiot
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GPS is good enough for bombing third world countries, but if you are in a war against an advanced country, you need to have a jam-proof option, e.g. TERCOM+INS.
Humm, are we sure pics we have see are only with AShM variant normaly yes but ?
I don't think anybody knows.
Jura The idiot
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now I can perhaps understand your sentence:
and yes, from my point of view of an armchair admiral:
- it should be interesting to use an AShM in its land-attack mode against targets like a radar installation in a shore area (I've heard did this, using one "Sandbox", in Georgia (LOL not the East Coast Georgia) 2008, but no, that's not official);
- it would be a waste of resources though to use an AShM in its land-attack mode against for example aircraft shelters, because the warhead
(for the two examples from Today at 9:52 AM
it would be 210 kg Otomat and 125 kg NSM)
would be way too small to do the damage worth the price of the missile;
I'm saying #2 because I tried to follow the attack by one-thousand-pounds TLAMs Apr 8, 2017
and, to me, the bottom line was the Opfor resumed flying Apr 8, 2017here's the background:
Today at 7:57 AM
and now, with the "Bolognese" sauce slowly simmering, I did the mapping exercise using:
I first approximately aligned #2 and #3, then added to #2 the "hits" marked in #1 (if they're in pretty much the same spot, I marked them with S in red; there're four "hits" shown only in #1, and not in #2, and these are marked by S! in red), and rotated #2 back:
- the view from which (if true!) would correspond to Pk of less than 0.5 of a TLAM involved in the recent attack;
- the view from which (if true!) would correspond to Pk of more than 0.8 of a TLAM involved in the recent attack;
- the reference
now need to go check the kitchen ...
... in short, #1 doesn't show anything where #2 puts
and you can make whatever conclusion you will
- "10 X Ammunition storage" close to bottom-left corner in the map right above, and
- "4 X Aircraft Shelters" close to the top-right corner ...
(I skip the tremendous success/failure Pentagon/Kremlin declarations, of course)
so? so a much heavier missile (or tipped with a nuke, but I set this aside) for a strike like this is needed, and
assuming the weight of the warhead scales with the third power of the diameter of a missile (*)
(0.85/0.52)^3 = 4.3676
CUVLS (0.85 m diameter) then would be able to deliver about two-tons warhead (0.52 m is the diameter of a Tomahawk EDIT just saying)
(*) nitpicking would be welcomed in this case
(I know this "law" works reasonably well for calibers of projectiles, now checked
(76/57)^3 = 2.3704
a Bofors 57 mm is 2.4 kg shell, so 2.4^2 is 5.76 and I quickly found in this range)
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@FORBIN @Jura @bd popeye @Air Force Brat @vesicles @Obi Wan Russell
Well, I know that the Chinese are claiming that this is the largest surface combatant for Asian countries since World War II.
I know that the Russians/Sovets are considered both an Asian and Eurpean country and of course their Kirov and Slava cruiser class are larger.
Also, the US is a Pacific Ocean nation and the Zumwalt class is larger. Heck, the USS Long Beach, a nuclear powered cruiser was also larger at almost 16,000 tons. Admitedly the US is not an "Asian" country, but it is a Pacific country that has territories in Asia.
...and of course if you include the LHDs and carriers as surface combatants, then they are larger too.
There is no doubt that the Type 055 is a monumental achievement for the PLAN...but they need to be a little more circumspect about what they attribute to it at this point.
We shall know how good it is only after it has spent years at sa exercising with other vessels...and that is still several years off.
I expect it will do just fine. But I also know that the Burke IIAs and the Burke IIIs, the Atagos, the Se Jongs, and others, like the Ticonderoga and Zumwalts, would be their equal in a confrontation (which all of us hope never happens), and I would not want to go up against a Kirov or Slava one on one to this day in any other ship either, short of a carrier striking from hundreds of mile away.
Though if they had to, any of these vessels are capable.
All that said, as I have said several times...congratulations to the Chinese people and the PLAN on this achievement. it is truly monumental where they have come in the last 20 years. 20 year ago, in the late 1990s, the Chinese still operated the Type 51 as their principle destroyer class. Coming from that to this in this time frame is, as I said, monumental.
Obviously if a Chinese person says "Asian" they are not thinking of Americans or Russians (or even Australians or Indians). Also, "surface combatant" by definition excludes carriers, LHDs, and LPDs, and is restricted to describing battleships, battlecruisers, cruisers, destroyers, frigates, and corvettes. So understood in this light the 055 is in fact the largest Asian surface combatant built since WW2 (assuming its full displacement is around 12,000t).
Jura The idiot
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minus the , then?
Of course.
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