055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Pmichael]

The opposite of a quantum leap is that.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Note sure what you're asking, but YJ-18 is poorly suited as a LACM variant given its shorter range relative to actual LACMs. Far better to just use a dedicated LACM like the CJ10.

There are reportedly two main variants of the YJ-18: a supersonic, shorter-ranged AShM variant and a subsonic, long-range (1400-1500 km) LACM variant, much like the Klub series.

 

[FORBIN]

Note sure what you're asking, but YJ-18 is poorly suited as a LACM variant given its shorter range relative to actual LACMs. Far better to just use a dedicated LACM like the CJ10.

It is very simple sometimes mentionned 052D so very possible also 055 have CJ-10 and sometimes armed with a YJ-18 LACM a new variant...not very well-known.

Me also i think a missile specialised is more capable but why you say

YJ-18 is poorly suited as a LACM variant given its shorter range relative to actual LACMs

you have range ? i ask for it...

And poorly no sure according all recent missiles datas for LACM and AShM similars especialy for size for a right comparison ofc, the LACM have a range much more superior for reasons i have mentionned.

There are reportedly two main variants of the YJ-18: a supersonic, shorter-ranged AShM variant and a subsonic, long-range (1400-1500 km) LACM variant, much like the Klub series.

Ok thanks, seems good this range - thinking minimum 1000 km - remains to see warhead cuz versatile missiles as MM-40 Bl 3, NSM etc... AShM mainly are much less powerful than true LACM 2 - 3 times less powerful in fact it is a CAPACITY for these versatile missiles, each her job...and quite sure you don't do big damages vs a difficult target with 125 - 165 kg explosives.

And curiously with all actual technology don't exist true long range LACM supersonic

 

[Iron Man]

There are reportedly two main variants of the YJ-18: a supersonic, shorter-ranged AShM variant and a subsonic, long-range (1400-1500 km) LACM variant, much like the Klub series.

It is very simple sometimes mentionned 052D so very possible also 055 have CJ-10 and sometimes armed with a YJ-18 LACM a new variant...not very well-known.

Me also i think a missile specialised is more capable but why you say you have range ? i ask for it...

And poorly no sure according all recent missiles datas for LACM and AShM similars especialy for size for a right comparison ofc, the LACM have a range much more superior for reasons i have mentionned.


Ok thanks, seems good this range - thinking minimum 1000 km - remains to see warhead cuz versatile missiles as MM-40 Bl 3, NSM etc... AShM mainly are much less powerful than true LACM 2 - 3 times less powerful in fact it is a CAPACITY for these versatile missiles, each her job...and quite sure you don't do big damages vs a difficult target with 125 - 165 kg explosives.

And curiously with all actual technology don't exist true long range LACM supersonic

In order for the YJ-18 to be turned into a LACM, it would have to change out the motor and the seeker. And possibly the fuselage (e.g. to add wings). Which means it's an entirely new missile. It's far easier to turn a LACM into an ASCM than the reverse because all that really needs to change is the seeker (e.g. Tomahawk). The Klub already started out life as a multi-variant missile so there is no issue there. In order for the YJ-18 LACM variant to make sense the entire YJ-18 program would have had to start out intending to field both variants, and while the YJ-18 was known for a long time, a LACM variant was only rumored recently, and AFAIK only on the internet. The reason I said a YJ-18 LACM variant would have a short range was because I assumed they were going the easy route of just swapping out a seeker and keeping the same motor/fuselage, which would leave the range unchanged but allow the YJ-18 to attack land targets, something that might easily be done just prior to going out on a specific mission.

 

[SinoSoldier]

In order for the YJ-18 to be turned into a LACM, it would have to change out the motor and the seeker. And possibly the fuselage (e.g. to add wings). Which means it's an entirely new missile. It's far easier to turn a LACM into an ASCM than the reverse because all that really needs to change is the seeker (e.g. Tomahawk). The Klub already started out life as a multi-variant missile so there is no issue there. In order for the YJ-18 LACM variant to make sense the entire YJ-18 program would have had to start out intending to field both variants, and while the YJ-18 was known for a long time, a LACM variant was only rumored recently, and AFAIK only on the internet. The reason I said a YJ-18 LACM variant would have a short range was because I assumed they were going the easy route of just swapping out a seeker and keeping the same motor/fuselage, which would leave the range unchanged but allow the YJ-18 to attack land targets, something that might easily be done just prior to going out on a specific mission.

I think it's plausible that the YJ-18 family has multiple missiles that only share its name but were developed independently. The main difference between the AShM and LACM systems would be the need of a terminal supersonic dash for the former; this would involve much more than a simple engine/seeker switch and hence it wouldn't make sense to develop the LACM version from AShM one.

 

[FORBIN]

In addition to its 130mm H/PJ-38 cannon and Type 1130 CIWS, the Type 055 DDG will have around 112-128 vertical launch system (VLS) cells. Each VLS can hold four smaller surface to air missile (SAM) like a DK-10 medium range SAM, or a single larger missile, such as a HHQ-9 long range SAM, CJ-10 land attack cruise missile, and YJ-18 anti-ship missile

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

 

[Iron Man]

I think it's plausible that the YJ-18 family has multiple missiles that only share its name but were developed independently. The main difference between the AShM and LACM systems would be the need of a terminal supersonic dash for the former; this would involve much more than a simple engine/seeker switch and hence it wouldn't make sense to develop the LACM version from AShM one.

That's my point, though. Did it start out as a "family"? We've only heard of the ASCM version until recently. If the company started with just the YJ-18 and then expanded their ambitions to land attack, the LACM version would be developed from the ASCM version. And yes, my point is also that it is harder to go from ASCM to LACM than it is to go from LACM to ASCM.

 

[SinoSoldier]

That's my point, though. Did it start out as a "family"? We've only heard of the ASCM version until recently. If the company started with just the YJ-18 and then expanded their ambitions to land attack, the LACM version would be developed from the ASCM version. And yes, my point is also that it is harder to go from ASCM to LACM than it is to go from LACM to ASCM.

It makes logical sense to develop a family of missiles (LACM, AShM, ASW, etc.) rather than just one, especially when the YJ-18 family seems to be tailor-made for the 052D/055's VLS. There isn't much transparency when it comes to the YJ-18, so don't find it surprising that nobody has ever heard of a LACM variant, even though such a version might very well exist.

 

[Iron Man]

It makes logical sense to develop a family of missiles (LACM, AShM, ASW, etc.) rather than just one, especially when the YJ-18 family seems to be tailor-made for the 052D/055's VLS. There isn't much transparency when it comes to the YJ-18, so don't find it surprising that nobody has ever heard of a LACM variant, even though such a version might very well exist.

Maybe, we'll just have to see. CJ-10 is known to have already been tested on the Type 909, so it's certainly a strong possibility for a shipborne LACM. Whether the YJ-18 LACM has ever been tested or is even being considered by the PLAN is still a total unknown.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Maybe, we'll just have to see. CJ-10 is known to have already been tested on the Type 909, so it's certainly a strong possibility for a shipborne LACM. Whether the YJ-18 LACM has ever been tested or is even being considered by the PLAN is still a total unknown.

The CJ-10 that was tested on the Type 909 was a slant-launched variant, not a VLS version. We have yet to see a CJ-10 being vertically-launched from the 7- or 9-meter length CCL.