If that CGI is 100% correct then I'm disappointed that a ship the size of the 055 didn't get 2x gun-CIWS in addition to the missile-CIWS.
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If that CGI is 100% correct then I'm disappointed that a ship the size of the 055 didn't get 2x gun-CIWS in addition to the missile-CIWS.
I think that fansite is wrong when it lists 1 missile per second for a Mk41 VLS. On the links, I don't see the rate of fire listed anywhere.
I've also read previously (from various sources) that it takes 2minutes for all 128 Mk41 VLS cells on the Ticonderoga to be launched.
Given 2 sets of VLS bays, that is 1 missile every 2 seconds.
Can anyone confirm this?
Also, an AESA X-band radar can provide fire-control tracking and guidance for hundreds of missiles at a time. It's just a question of processing power and having enough TR modules. Ditto for the S-Band volume search radar.
It is the Arleigh Burke and Ticonderoga which can't do this, as they currently rely on 3x mechanically steered X-Band fire control radars, each with only a single continuous wave.
I've read previously that each can guide 3 missiles at a time. Apparently the TOR radar can guide 4 missiles at a time as well.
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Maybe the antennas on the hangar and below the bridge wings represent 2 sets of ECM arrays and Metric-wavelength EW radar? Or all 4 are the same system, with the one below bridge wings being shorter to prevent EMI from affecting other sensors.
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FarkTypeSoldier
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Whatever it is... the "055" is finally realised!
1 missile every 2 seconds per 8-cell module sounds about right, actually. OTOH the entire bank of VLS modules can launch nearly simultaneously. I watched a YouTube video a few years ago where the rear VLS bank of a Ticonderoga launched something like 5 missiles from different modules in the space of literally half a second or less, all sequentially, but all within microseconds of each other. I'll try to find it. The universal VLS is probably only going to be able to achieve this rate when it's firing hot-launched missiles such as the as-yet unrevealed MRSAM. When cold-launching there is going to be hang time between ejection and motor ignition, which will probably prevent any other cell in any other module in the section from launching, especially if the missile performs a pitching maneuver during its hang time. So the launch rate per entire VLS SECTION will be on the order of 1 missile every few seconds, and this may depend on if they have to manually confirm that the missile ignited and left the area or there was a misfire or something. Whereas with hot launching the missile either leaves the area immediately or fails to ignite and stays inside its tube, the cold launched missile has to clear the area above the VLS bank before another missile can be launched. This is the downside of cold-launched VL systems. On a VLS bank the size of the 055 (with 64 tubes in the front section), it may be possible to cold-launch 2 missiles simultaneously if they are sufficiently distant from each other.
"Hundreds" is almost certainly an overstatement. One of the few AESAs that we have information on is the APAR, which is quoted to be able to guide 32 missiles during the midcourse phase and 16 missiles during the terminal phase. I don't know if this is total or per face. If total that means each face can only provide terminal illumination for 4 missiles at a time. It also uses ICWI, which means APAR doesn't even dedicate specific T/R modules to specific engagements but rather timeshares them among the engagements.
As for the Burkes and Ticos, there are 3 Mk 99s on the Burkes and 4 Mk 99s on the Ticos, for 3 and 4 simultaneous engagements at a time. However, these things work differently from AESA direct guidance. The SPY-1D guides all the missiles during midcourse while the Mk 99s provide terminal illumination. The Mk 99 only needs to illuminate the target for a few seconds during the end game to allow the SM-2 or ESSM to find and hit their targets, maybe even less than one second. After that the Mk 99 can immediately move on to illuminate another target. That means for targets that are closely grouped together (like a volley of ASCMs launched from the same fighter), a single Mk 99 can rapidly target each missile sequentially. Its limitation is its slew rate from one target to another. If it has to slew something like 100 or 120 degrees at a time to mark each of its targets, obviously the engagement rate will slow down dramatically. The SPY-1D midcourse guidance capacity is unknown but I would guess it to be in the several dozens range.
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it's my understanding a Type 055 would mount
both hot/cold vertical launching system
as in Jan 29, 2017
which for Type 052D was confirmed to me Jan 29, 2017:
and Jan 29, 2017:
Correct.
052D's universal VLS can launch both hot and cold launch missiles. The Test-Ship Bi Sheng shows that:
Suppossedly a YJ-18 launch: Shows that it is hot-launched
Either a HQ-26 or HQ-8, rumored to be a ultra-long-range SAM compatible with the largest 9 meter cell of the 052D and 055, from the same ship: Obviously cold-launched.
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This is really the problem with Sinodefence being down/updating only slowly/being behind the curve. We have no authoritative source to point people to when they ask questions that have been already answered.
And no, Wikipedia is a cesspool. There is one hater who is vandalizing entries of Chinese military hardware in the name of "reliable source", but really just because he doesnt want to see China's advancements.
and Jan 30, 2017:
It is not a fan site ... as you say there are not only reliable but rare datas and i don' t use fan site
fortunately for the forum...And would be surprising possible engage such number of targets and you don' t have good datas for AEGIS much more capable than you say.
Jura The idiot
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oh really?
please do
the highest concentration I've seen so far is after this moment:
(LOL only now noticed something had appeared in the bottom-left corner of the screen while saving)
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I translated all the annotations for antennae.
Just PSA, I'm pretty sure those annotations are all based on the OP's own speculation and not official. While some parts of it may be accurate, others may not be, so I'd caution anyone interpreting it as the real deal.
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