Again, what you are saying or have suggested is not relevant to what subotai said or what I said in response to what he said. You injected yourself into a response which you were not originally a part of and then keep saying "well I have been consistently saying this and that" as if that somehow changes anything that he or I said.
Have you read his reply about what his post meant? I think you would find that my interpretation of his post is quite accurate to his meaning.
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/type-055-ddg-large-destroyer-thread.t6480/page-268#post-438203
Where did I ever say that it was only a matter of difficulty of construction? The "construction" is not difficult, AND the "design" is not difficult, because it is not a large "advancement" compared to the 052D.
Okay, so you are using the word advancement in terms of design, construction, and perhaps subsystems, as discussed in previous posts? I am using the word advancement in terms of capability.
I can agree that 055 may not be a significant advancement in terms of new subsystems and its design and construction are not challenges or difficult either, however despite that I maintain my belief that it doesn't preclude the possibility that 055 may still be a signficant advancement in terms of
capability due to the potential addition of certain subsystems mentioned in previous posts (datalinks, combat system, software, etc).
If there is no disagreement with the above paragraph, then I think we can consider this matter settled.
Now you're resorting to straw man attacks? You should know by now that I am not even remotely susceptible to straw man arguments. Please link and quote ANYWHERE where I said that advancements in computing/design didn't have a role in 055's production. In fact in my initial response to subotai I said this: "Well the advancements in modeling and simulation certainly help no doubt." I also said this: "Yes, improvements in technology have allowed the Chinese shipbuilding industry to more confidently leap into fast rate production of the 055." But I also said this: "whatever technology allowed the 052D to be produced in large numbers will allow the 055 to be produced in large numbers, no need for any "fruition" of new technologies." Clearly the implication is that whatever advancements help the 052D help the 055, and vice versa. Unless you are somehow trying to claim that there has been some kind of breakthrough technology that occurred in between the time the 052D came out and now. Which would that be, may I ask?
Sigh, I'm not resorting to straw man attacks, I was asking you if that was your position and trying to explore it if it was your position. If it isn't your position then obviously I'm not going to say that it was. (I don't do straw man attacks -- if you feel like I am, hold your fire and just tell me that what I wrote is not representative of your position, meaning either I misinterpreted your position or there were some other miscommunication.)
Okay, with that out of the way I'll try to lay out how I understand your argument now, in a way that's easy for both of us to see:
Premise 1: 055 and 052D both had access to similar advancements in computing/modelling
Premise 2: 055 and 052D were both produced in a similar pace/manner
Conclusion: therefore, production of 055 and 052D likely both benefitted from similar advancements in computing/modelling
[Am I close? If I'm wrong please feel free to correct me]
I agree with Premise 1 generally speaking, and I agree with the overall Conclusion.
But I disagree with Premise 2 because the pace and manner of the construction of 055 today vs 052D back then are quite different, not only in terms of sites of simultaneous initiation of construction of a new class of warship, but also the nature of the new class of warship where 055 is a clean sheet hull design using common subsystems from an existing design in a new configuration in a new hull, whereas the 052D is a iterative design based of an existing hull design that's been in operation for many years using some common systems that had been present on its predecessors and some new subsystems that are introduced in it in a similar configuration to its predecessor.
What this means for the idea that 055 may be evidence of "fruition" and advancements that subotai originally mentioned, is that yes the 052D probably did have access to those advancements, and its production likely benefitted from those advancements (and neither subotai or I have suggested that 052D did not benefit from those advancements)...
... however, the production pace/manner of the 052D at the time and the nature of the 052D class as an iterative design of an existing and proven hull design, meant even if it benefitted from those advancements, the production of the 052D did not demonstrate the advancements/fruition in as obvious or high profile a way as production of 055 does.
So my counter position, is that yes I agree the production of 055 and 052D likely both benefitted from similar advancements in computing/modelling etc, however out of these two, the pace and manner of 055 production and its design in past context is the far more compelling evidence that these advancements have occurred, compared to the pace and manner of 052D production and its design in past context.
and I'm amazed, as it appears to be still based on just one line from Chinese Internet ...