055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[taxiya]

Ahh.. the Korean I'm-not-powerful-enough-to-dispute-you-so-I'm-gonna-call-my-ship-a-contentious-title-to-piss-you-off route. China is not Korea; the latter's sort of behaviour is not condoned by Confucian ideals.

exactly. taunting empty words without concrete act is 不智 (not intelligent), against one of the Confucian virtue.

 

[jacksprat]

Exactly what part of the current Chinese government/system has anything to do with the ConfucIan idea?

Is it the military construction program? I can allow for that...

Maybe their censorship of the internet and their extemely nationalist rhetoric and not allowing any dissenting opinions to be publicly aired?

Or is it their seeking hegemony over 90% of the South China Sea?

Just curious, just thought the whole Confician idea was rather about peacefulness and getting along with your neighbors and not about imposing one's will on others.

Just curious since you brought it up....

 

[Engineer]

Exactly what part of the current Chinese government/system has anything to do with the ConfucIan idea?

Maybe their censorship of the internet and their extemely nationalist rhetoric and not allowing any dissenting opinions to be publicly aired?

Yes, that would actually be a Confucian value.

Or is it their seeking hegemony over 90% of the South China Sea?

Where did you get that idea from? Lame stream media?

Just curious, just thought the whole Confician idea was rather about peacefulness and getting along with your neighbors and not about imposing one's will on others.

You confused Buddhism values with Confucian idea.

Name of destroyers in China get chosen by the highest bidder. There is no special meaning being conveyed.

 

[Brumby]

Where did you get that idea from? Lame stream media?

According to the notes verbales filed by China in May 2009 to the Secretary General of the United Nations.

 

[MwRYum]

The first three 055 DDGs should be christened "Taipei," "Daioyu Dao," and "Nansha."

You should've long known by now that there's the Naval Vessels Naming Regulation that the PLAN has to follow when naming ships, and the last revision was in 1986. Even in the case of CV-16 Liaoning also follows that regulation.

Now, "Taipei" won't be on the selection until a few years after the reunification - which will undoubtedly via military actions, and doubtful it'd be on the "large city" category after the war (current population @ 2 million plus, that's not biggie when compare with large cities in Mainland China, not to mention going to be further less after the war). That said, we'd never hear a DDG named after Taipei, but a FFG would still be in the bag.

"Daioyu Dao," and "Nansha"? Neither of them is major city, so not in the game to begin with.

In any case, if the name "Nanjing" is adopted, by the current rule would mean it'll be a ESF ship; "Cheungdu" would mean it goes to the SSF.

 

[Engineer]

According to the notes verbales filed by China in May 2009 to the Secretary General of the United Nations.

So deliberate misinterpretation of China's statements by lame stream media.

 

[Brumby]

So deliberate misinterpretation of China's statements by lame stream media.

Repeating it just makes it a delusional response.

 

[Engineer]

Repeating it just makes it a delusional response.

Now we know why you repeat the same things like a broken record on this board.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Guys. Please get back to topic!

 

[Insignius]

My two cents to the naming, and I won't continue further as I am not much fun of the "naming competition".

1. In general, I don't like regions lobbying for it. It is like brothers and sisters "fighting" for attention from parents. Not a very Chinese traditional virtue. Of course China is changing, and I am the disappearing old stock, but I love the good old values "do what you can for your people instead of asking what you want from your people, contribution, not demanding".

2. We all know the history and the specific event that made Nanjing "accursed". It is sad but I don't agree to "reward" the name of the first to Nanjing for that sad reason. Nanjing is a tragedy, but not a tragic heroic story unlike for example Humen (虎门). I have not seen any military vessels in any country with my limited knowledge that are named by pure sadness and tragic. A warship is a fighting machine, it is meant to win or die like a soldier, not to be slaughtered as a civilian no matter how innocent and tragic they are. The name is a very important symbol carrying on the fighting spirit. For this reason, I personally would avoid Nanjing, at least the first of the class.

Nanjing will definitely be a name that is on the list. It fulfills all necessary requirement to become a Destroyer's name for being a major city. And no matter when or why it is chosen, for political effect or randomly by chance, you can be sure that it will sting the Japanese no matter what. And why should the Chinese care? It was a Japanese crime, after all. It SHOULD sting them - especially because it would be the member of th East Sea Fleet. China should not hold back, in that regard, especially Nanjing is a legit contender anyway.

Well, no sympathies from my side. Shouldnt have raped that city back then, if they didnt want to face a powerful warship named after a city that they sacked so brutally. What goes around....