055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Hendrik_2000]

That site makes far too many BS claims for it to be taken seriously. It sometimes reposts accurate news, but most of the stuff it pushes out makes no sense.

As for the national interest article by mr goldstein, I think he's making a few too many assumptions that the commentary and drawing in shipborne weapons will be accurate.

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Prof Goldstein as a pipe dream He certainly draw on the Chinese publication . But there is big difference between fan boy wild dream and educated guess. He probably compare the system on 55 to the recent advances in military ship borne weapon, and assume the Chinese equivalent. As I say he is one of the better analyst He was awarded Civilian distinguished service medal and founded CMSI. Unlike Erickson he doesn't have agenda in fact he always caution moderation
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Prof. Lyle J. Goldstein is an associate professor in the China Maritime Studies Institute (CMSI), which was established at U.S. Naval War College in October 2006 to improve mutual understanding and maritime cooperation with China. He served as the founding director of CMSI from 2006 to 2011. For this service, he was recently awarded the Superior Civilian Service Medal.

He is currently also a visiting fellow of the Watson Institute of International Studies at Brown University.

Proficient in Chinese and Russian, Professor Goldstein has conducted extensive field research in both China and Russia. His research on Chinese security policy, especially concerning maritime development, has been published in China Quarterly, International Security, IISS Survival, Contemporary Southeast Asia, Journal of Strategic Studies, and U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings.

 

[Blitzo]

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Prof Goldstein as a pipe dream He certainly draw on the Chinese publication . But there is big difference between fan boy wild dream and educated guess. He probably compare the system on 55 to the recent advances in military ship borne weapon, and assume the Chinese equivalent. As I say he is one of the better analyst He was awarded Civilian distinguished service medal and founded CMSI. Unlike Erickson he doesn't have agenda in fact he always caution moderation
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Prof. Lyle J. Goldstein is an associate professor in the China Maritime Studies Institute (CMSI), which was established at U.S. Naval War College in October 2006 to improve mutual understanding and maritime cooperation with China. He served as the founding director of CMSI from 2006 to 2011. For this service, he was recently awarded the Superior Civilian Service Medal.

He is currently also a visiting fellow of the Watson Institute of International Studies at Brown University.

Proficient in Chinese and Russian, Professor Goldstein has conducted extensive field research in both China and Russia. His research on Chinese security policy, especially concerning maritime development, has been published in China Quarterly, International Security, IISS Survival, Contemporary Southeast Asia, Journal of Strategic Studies, and U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings.

I'm not dismissing Goldstein, I'm dismissing the site that antiterror posted -- i.e.: "tiananmenstremendousachievements". That site is most definitely pushes out far too many BS claims for my liking.

As for Goldstein's article on the 055 that was published on the national interest, it's not a terrible write up, but he makes the assumption that the illustrations and commentary written in Shipborne Weapons is inherently going to be reflective of the ship's actual characteristics... such as only having 96 VLS, or only being 175m long, 21m beam, and only 11,500 tons full displacement, which is somewhat lower than what rumours have been consistently projecting.

There is a similar article:
China Developing New State-of-the-art Warship to Outperform the U.S. Navy's Best Destroyers

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Yes,and that article is similarly written by someone who is not fully accustomed or familiar with the capabilities of other destroyers.

 

[Blitzo]

It's worth to note that over in China that there's always a group of people who's "too earnest" (lack of better term for it) to prove that the lead boat of the 055 class is already under actual construction. Personally I'd wait until more of the hull being put together to resemble the test rig then to speak for certain.

There's always groups of military fans in China who feel like XYZ ship or plane is already under advanced development.

But in this case, with the 055, I personally feel very certain that the modules we're seeing is for 055, with the same kind of confidence in about May last year that the large ship under construction at DL was the 001A carrier.

All the credible rumours are in perfect alignment and the modules seem to fit the bill of what one would expect, and the modules are appearing at just the right time as expected as well. So I think it's definitely far more likely than not that these modules are for 055.

 

[SpicySichuan]

same here

 

[A.Man]

The city of Chengdu is lobbying PLAN to name the first 055: Chengdu

 

[Insignius]

I wish Nanjing would win. For the symbolic purpose of having China's first warship that can outgun all others bear the accursed name, inspiring righteous wrath and vengeance in the hearts of the Chinese people.

Also, wasnt it already confirmed that Nanjing has won?

 

[taxiya]

My two cents to the naming, and I won't continue further as I am not much fun of the "naming competition".

1. In general, I don't like regions lobbying for it. It is like brothers and sisters "fighting" for attention from parents. Not a very Chinese traditional virtue. Of course China is changing, and I am the disappearing old stock, but I love the good old values "do what you can for your people instead of asking what you want from your people, contribution, not demanding".

2. We all know the history and the specific event that made Nanjing "accursed". It is sad but I don't agree to "reward" the name of the first to Nanjing for that sad reason. Nanjing is a tragedy, but not a tragic heroic story unlike for example Humen (虎门). I have not seen any military vessels in any country with my limited knowledge that are named by pure sadness and tragic. A warship is a fighting machine, it is meant to win or die like a soldier, not to be slaughtered as a civilian no matter how innocent and tragic they are. The name is a very important symbol carrying on the fighting spirit. For this reason, I personally would avoid Nanjing, at least the first of the class.

 

[Blackstone]

The first three 055 DDGs should be christened "Taipei," "Daioyu Dao," and "Nansha."

 

[jobjed]

The first three 055 DDGs should be christened "Taipei," "Daioyu Dao," and "Nansha."

Ahh.. the Korean I'm-not-powerful-enough-to-dispute-you-so-I'm-gonna-call-my-ship-a-contentious-title-to-piss-you-off route. China is not Korea; the latter's sort of behaviour is not condoned by Confucian ideals.

 

[taxiya]

The first three 055 DDGs should be christened "Taipei," "Daioyu Dao," and "Nansha."

Only after China set her boots on or has undisputed control of them. I'd rather see PLAN naval ships carry the name of a smoking rock (de Jure and de Facto) than the name of land in possession only on paper (de Jure).