055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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asif iqbal

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Personally speaking the 055 ceremony photo looks real and I believe it the timing is right and it just appears legitimate

Having said that it could be a fake but on the balance of probability and knowing the past experience and knowledge I would say it's real

I do think that Type 055 construction has started I expect s few thousand ton module to be ready by mid 2015
 

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Type-002 Conventional Aircraft Carrier Construction Commencement Ceremony:


Construction ceremony for RX-78-2 Gundam:


Serial Production of Project 031 Anti-satellite System:


I don't know which one to believe. I'm leaning toward the giant robot Gundam.

So yeah, I have my doubts...

not sure if the original picture is true, but work for Type 055 has definitely started.
 

kwaigonegin

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Actually, even in China this news is met with some suspicion, eventhough its initial appearance (and quickly withdrawn) meet the past experience with "accidental leaks". So those pics where just to laugh it off as saying "it proved nothing".

So, it really provides no solid evidence that the Type 055 does initiate its lead ship construction. The only way to know for sure, would be if and when 6 months from now, a new and bigger DDG hull begins to take shape in Shanghai shipyard.

Regardless of whether the banner was PSed or entire 'ceremony' totally fake, what is not fake however is that PLAN will be fielding a new class or advanced destroyer/cruiser in the future. The time frame seems right. Even if it wasn't last week, I'm 99.99% sure they will cut their first steel for the 055 very very soon.
 
Very big news on the Type 055. They've even managed to squeeze it in just before the new year too LOL
If you look at what's in the pipeline, I think 2015 will be just as big as 14. Continued expansion of the 054 class and now the actual building of the 055. A couple more 071s coming online and possibly we'll hear more about the 081 LHD :maybe: I think we'll also see the finalization of the air wing component for the Liaoning as well.

I would not be surprised either if they cut the first steel for the indigenous carrier in 2015, ESPECIALLY if it is somewhat modeled after the Liaoning as oppose to a totally brand new design and/or a true flat deck. First steel cut in 2015, commissioning in 2020 or not too long after. Sounds about right.

Basically by year's end of 2015 here's my general view of PLAN's continued expansion

More 052Ds and 071s
We'll finally know what 055 will look like exactly and many of it's sensor suites and weapon systems!
Possible confirmation of 081 LHD.
CVW component for the Liaoning finalized.
Possible first steel cut for indigenous carrier (if modeled after Liaoning) and if we're really lucky maybe that of 081 LHD (here's hoping ;) )
Possible serial production of J15S.
Taihangs becoming operational. ;)

I'm probably missing many more major developments but I'll keep an eye out for these big ones.

* the continued free fall of oil prices will also benefit China's real GDP as a whole. They import most of their crude and the longer crude oil stays low the more savings that will be added to their GDP or at the very least will mitigate some of their declination of their production output in 2014..

Adding to your list I am excited to see if there will be:
- 054B with universal VLS and FL-3000
- how many more 056 series and variants
- progress on the LCAC
- progress on naval helicopters
 

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Chinese Expert Downplays Capabilities of New Type 055 Vessel

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The U.S. media recently reported that the new type-055 guided missile destroyer of the
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of the Chinese People’s Liberation
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(PLAN) and the U.S. Aegis warship are on a par with each other in terms of power and strength and that the type-055 destroyer is one of the five weapons
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might use to change rules of the game in the future.

However, Yin Zhuo, a Chinese military expert, said in an interview that the so-called type-055 destroyer is not the world’s largest guided missile destroyer and speculation that it will change the rules of the game is just an exaggeration.

Previously, U.S. media reported that the PLAN’s type-055 destroyer has a displacement of 10,000 tons and can carry 128 anti-ship cruise missiles, anti-aircraft missiles and ship-to-ground attack cruise missiles. It can be even equipped with electromagnetic guns and laser weapons. The type-055 destroyer is able to carry out in-depth strikes through cruise missiles and also protect its taskforce through the control of airspace.

The U.S. media even believed that judging from its huge volume, strong arm system and advanced sensing equipment, the type-055 destroyer will meet or exceed the capability of “Aegis” destroyer which is current deployed by the U.S. and its allies in the Pacific.

Yin Zhuo said that the type-055 destroyer is not the world’s largest destroyer. In terms of tonnage, although the type-055 has a lot of advantages over the type-052C and the type-052D, it is certainly not the largest destroyer in the world.

Currently, the displacement of Russia’s Modern-class destroyer and Udaloy-class destroyer has reached 8,000 to 9,000 tons. The displacement of
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’s Atago-class destroyer is over 9,000 tons and the U.S. DDG-1000 destroyer has a displacement of 12,000 tons.
The Type 055 destroyer can in no way change the rules of the game in the future.

Yin argued that “the interpretation of the type-055 new missile destroyer by Western media was excessive. Since the World War II, the emergence of nuclear weapons transformed conventional war into nuclear war; the emergence of the aircraft carrier has shifted the leading role in water battle from fleet to aviation personnel. These two forms of weapons have changed the war significantly. At present, relying solely on the destroyer could not change the rules of war. Even the DDG-1000 destroyer of the U.S. cannot change that.”

Some Western media reported that the type-055 destroyer might have some new operational capabilities and it has the ability to attack air, land and other ships. These are important to improving the capability of the PLAN.

Yin Zhuo believed that the type-055 destroyer is equivalent to the U.S. Arleigh Burke-class destroyer or Japan’s Atago-class destroyer. The type-055 destroyer is equipped with digital phased radar, similar to the U.S. and Japanese destroyers at the technical level. Meanwhile, the type-055 destroyer has large tonnage and thus can carry more weapons. If the Western media is correct, its payload will be about one hundred pieces.

Yin Zhuo also expressed that the type-055 destroyer might welcome a new power system. If the warship is equipped with new-concept weapons, a whole dynamic electric power system commanded by computers will be introduced. Because launching new-concept weapons including laser weapons and electromagnetic guns requires enormous energy within a short period of time. Using digital all-electric propulsion will be a revolutionary change for the PLAN.


Interesting. I do not know if this "expert" is officially connected to the PLAN or the PRC. I do know that a number of the specifications listed here (for the Atago and the Zumwalt) for example of incorrect.
 

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Chinese Expert Downplays Capabilities of New Type 055 Vessel




Interesting. I do not know if this "expert" is officially connected to the PLAN or the PRC. I do know that a number of the specifications listed here (for the Atago and the Zumwalt) for example of incorrect.

Rear Admiral Yin Zhou (ret.) is a pretty prominent mouthpiece, and sometimes his TV appearances do provide good information on new PLAN developments. I believe he definitely does provide insider information, if one can read between the lines.

However, I think this interview he has deliberately sought to play down the capabilities of the 055 (no surprise there -- typical PLA tactic). If we read carefully, Yin Zhou doesn't actually say in black and white just how much lesser 055's capabilities will be than what has been described by "western media". Really, he seems to focus on the effect of displacement on ship capability, as well as emphasizing that 055 only shares "some" similarities with US AEGIS vessels such as the phased array radar, and a similar VLS count. What he doesn't mention is the actual displacement of 055, as well as the kind of full radar set that 055 will feature, and the battle management/systems integration 055 will have, which are really the things which will make 055 stand out from the pack.
But he also also basically confirmed a few other things that we suspected. The most important of these, is highlighting the possibility of IEPS on 055, meaning we'll probably see it on the 055 hull class at some point in the not too distant future. We've been expecting this, of course, but it's nice to have semi official confirmation.

As for the displacements of Atago and Zumwalt (as well as 055 for that matter), I think he may have used light and/or standard displacements for all three ships rather than full displacements.
 

Jeff Head

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Rear Admiral Yin Zhou (ret.) is a pretty prominent mouthpiece, and sometimes his TV appearances do provide good information on new PLAN developments. I believe he definitely does provide insider information....


Thanks, Bltizo, the article would have helped itself out by naming him as a PLAN Rear Admiral.

That helps a lot...and I agree that the effort to downplay to Type 055 capabilities is a strategy aimed at not alarming other nations and veiling the capabilities until such time as it becomes obvious as they are built and launched.
 

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Perhaps his wishes ... lol, Captain level wouldn't know, his guess is as good as ours

That's an interesting question.

I wonder how much "insider knowledge" individuals in the PLA would have about these kind of things, especially as they rise in rank and accrue more responsibility. Would high ranking officers (I consider a navy captain to be fairly high) be kept in the loop regarding these kind of developments?

I mean, a project like 055 is pretty much an open secret in the public sphere, and within the service itself it should be even more openly known, either through word of mouth or (probably more likely) through some kind of official system whether they're conventions or meetings or newsletters...
Certainly I'd expect the captain of an 054A to have pretty up to date knowledge about all the major ships and weapon systems of the PLAN as well as those on the cusp of being launched.

E.g.: what knowledge would a USN burke captain have of the Zumwalt class in 2012ish? How does the USN keep its officers up to date on all the new toys they are developing?
 
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