055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[joshuatree]

That's because Tico was designed decades ago, at the time destroyers were much smaller vessels.

Zumwalt is help setting a new standard for new generation destroyers - if that is a DDG, 055 should be, too. The media is either still using old school standard they were used to, or purposely using the cruiser term to exaggerate PLAN threat and advancement.

There will never be a correct answer to this age old discussion of frigates, destroyers, cruisers. Since there is no universal standard to define those names, it's really just a perceived classification by each respective nation. Given Zumwalt's displacement, speed, and sporting two AGS, one could even call it a next-gen battlecruiser.

Whilst I think 052C and 052D are impressive advancements for PLAN (before the launch of 052C and 051B/C PLAN was really just a third world country navy that was not worth mentioning), I am not impressed by 055A's design, I hope it is just experimental or proof of concept ship like the 051B.

One can see too much of 052D in it. The concept is in no way more advanced. It is bigger and somewhat more capable, but hasn't PLAN learnt a thing or two from Zumwalt-class DDG and LCS?!

I think PLAN has learned things from the LCS, things not to do. Until the LCS program works out all the kinks, a value budget high serial production 056 corvette/light frigate will accomplish what PLAN needs in the littorals.

As for Zumwalt, unless PLAN is ready to field their own AGS, electric propulsion, stealth, the proposed 055 isn't meant to be a Zumwalt equivalent. If anything, PLAN lacks a large destroyer fleet to form its core naval backbone which the US has in their 62 ABs. In my opinion, that's what the 055 is going to be. Maybe the rash of 052C/Ds are just the stop gap measure since they've gotten really good at churning out that hull. But for all we know, it's still a bit too small to their liking. The 051 Ludas are in desperate need of being 100% phased out.

Speaking of 051s, I would love to see a flotilla of 056s engage a flotilla of 051s in simulated battle just to see how realistic the 051s can hold their own against modern combatants.

 

[PanAsian]

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If anything, PLAN lacks a large destroyer fleet to form its core naval backbone which the US has in their 62 ABs. In my opinion, that's what the 055 is going to be. Maybe the rash of 052C/Ds are just the stop gap measure since they've gotten really good at churning out that hull. But for all we know, it's still a bit too small to their liking. The 051 Ludas are in desperate need of being 100% phased out.

Speaking of 051s, I would love to see a flotilla of 056s engage a flotilla of 051s in simulated battle just to see how realistic the 051s can hold their own against modern combatants.

The PLAN is probably finding with their first few 052D's that they have too few VLS's for a well-rounded loadout as the core of a SAG, or as a lone wolf, against top tier opponents. The 055 will be able to fulfill this role. The PLAN's current fleet in its entirety with support from other branches of the PLA is a formidable if not dominant force within the 1st island chain against top tier opponents but it stands little chance of survival or success beyond this area. The 055 together with the latest SSNs, the Liaoning, and additional escorts will form a nascent capability to do so in the future.

As I had mentioned before, I highly suspect that the 052D is a budget-first attempt at modifying existing orders for 052C's to use newly available subsystems. I don't think there will be additional builds of the 052D but rather a whole new design meant to be a successor to both the 052 series and 054 series using universal VLS, integrated mast, perhaps a stealthier hull, and the most likely bottleneck: high capacity propulsion and power generation with room for integrating future systems such as railguns and lasers assuming the PLAN is going to continue to try following in the USN's footsteps.

 

[no_name]

will somebody please translate the items on this one for me?

by the way, I haven't seen so many Likes in a long time (I'm adding one more, of course)

I do not think this is authoritative for the final layout but here anyway:

Any updates on the mock up? really want to see some new progress.

 

[Deino]

Via CDF !

 

[jzsn]

Via CDF !

The size of the radar array tower is off (too small, just look at UK type 45) but others are nice.

 

[JayBird]

The size of the radar array tower is off (too small, just look at UK type 45) but others are nice.

It does looks kind of small compared to Type 45, but then 055 is supposedly bigger than Type 45 overall. So.. Maybe the artist considered the 055 radar tower should look smaller in contrast because of the bigger hull.

 

[no_name]

looks like party hat on a big head. Larger would look better and make the top of the bridge look less conspicuous.

 

[Blitzo]

It is a good quality CG but the artist is wrong on a few details. The RHIB davit should be either side of the aft helicopter hangar structure, rather than Sejong style either side of the forward superstructure. The integrated mast also shows different geometry compared to what we can confirm the real thing to be based on the mock up. The Kolkata style bulbous top is also at this stage unlikely given what we can see from the mock up.


Anyway, 055 definitely won't have as big of a mast as Type 45. The big reason for this is because 055's main MFR will be mounted lower on the superstructure rather than the top of its mast.

 

[asif iqbal]

Type 055 CG will make for a good surface action group

Consisting of 4 x Type 052D and 2 x Type 055 CG

 

[DaTang cavalry]

Via CDF !

The pic design looks like the new operate indian ship.