055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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asif iqbal

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You know I was just wondering just 10 years could we have imagined such a surface combatant from China? How far the PLAN has come in such a short time really amazing, I mean imagine I was not following the PLAN and one day seen this sailing I would be like which navy has this ship? Then you think China, certainly a good achievement
 

Blackstone

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I wonder why most US media I've seen report the Type 055 as a missile cruiser (CG), when in reality she's a missile destroyer (DDG). They know the difference, but choose to use the cruiser designation.
 

joshuatree

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I wonder why most US media I've seen report the Type 055 as a missile cruiser (CG), when in reality she's a missile destroyer (DDG). They know the difference, but choose to use the cruiser designation.

Maybe nothing more than familiarity with the Burke-Ticonderoga relation so they equate 052C/D-055 in that context.
 

Blitzo

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I wonder why most US media I've seen report the Type 055 as a missile cruiser (CG), when in reality she's a missile destroyer (DDG). They know the difference, but choose to use the cruiser designation.

It really can be both.

Ticonderoga, smaller than zumwalt, is called a cruiser while zumwalt is called a destroyer
 

williamhou

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It really can be both.

Ticonderoga, smaller than zumwalt, is called a cruiser while zumwalt is called a destroyer


That's because Tico was designed decades ago, at the time destroyers were much smaller vessels.

Zumwalt is help setting a new standard for new generation destroyers - if that is a DDG, 055 should be, too. The media is either still using old school standard they were used to, or purposely using the cruiser term to exaggerate PLAN threat and advancement.
 

Blitzo

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That's because Tico was designed decades ago, at the time destroyers were much smaller vessels.

Zumwalt is help setting a new standard for new generation destroyers - if that is a DDG, 055 should be, too. The media is either still using old school standard they were used to, or purposely using the cruiser term to exaggerate PLAN threat and advancement.

Unfortunately, surface combatants these days are not mutually exclusive in modern and traditional class designations, whether we use capability or displacement as measures.

Besides, just because the USN calls DDG1000 a destroyer doesn't mean it makes sense for other nations to do so. JMSDF calls their hyuga class "helicopter destroyers". Hell, prior to 1975 the USN, they considered some of their nuclear cruisers as frigates!

Ultimately, what we call a class depends on what everyone else is calling their own ships, along with more "traditional" descriptors, but also common sense. Considering all that, I do not think there is any reason why 055 (or indeed, Zumwalt) cannot be called cruisers, as much as Ticonderoga or Sejong (or even Burkes, Atago, Kongo).

Zumwalt might be a groundbreaking design, but it's a little early to judge whether it is setting any kind of standard. If anything, its aims now seem over ambitious if not a little vague, and certainly it is too early to think it will have the kind of influence to redefine an entire class of warship like HMS Dreadnought. At any rate, it isn't enough to disallow the weight class of what we perceive as cruisers as below 15,000 tons.



And, just for the record, in what few instances we have of the PLAN referencing 055, they call it a "large destroyer".
 

williamhou

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You know I was just wondering just 10 years could we have imagined such a surface combatant from China? How far the PLAN has come in such a short time really amazing, I mean imagine I was not following the PLAN and one day seen this sailing I would be like which navy has this ship? Then you think China, certainly a good achievement

Whilst I think 052C and 052D are impressive advancements for PLAN (before the launch of 052C and 051B/C PLAN was really just a third world country navy that was not worth mentioning), I am not impressed by 055A's design, I hope it is just experimental or proof of concept ship like the 051B.

One can see too much of 052D in it. The concept is in no way more advanced. It is bigger and somewhat more capable, but hasn't PLAN learnt a thing or two from Zumwalt-class DDG and LCS?!
 
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Blitzo

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Whilst I think 052C and 052D are impressive advancements for PLAN (before the launch of 052C and 051B/C PLAN was really just a third world country navy that was not worth mentioning), I am not impressed by 055A's design, I hope it is just experimental or proof of concept ship like the 051B.

One can see of much of 052D in it. The concept is in no way more advanced. It is bigger and somewhat more capable, but hasn't PLAN learnt a thing or two from Zumwalt-class DDG and LCS?!

One might say that is a good thing.

Frankly, extensive radar stealth should not be a major aim for a blue water surface combatant intending to escort other ships. It will be emitting extensively anyway, and what is more important is missile load, sensors, system integration, and datalinking.

That isn't to say there 055 won't be stealthy: as we can see its smoke stack is integrated with the main superstructure, which will probably be beneficial to radar stealth as well as IR. But zumwalt levels of RCS reduction is an exorbitant and difficult to achieve (and thus costly) proposition.


I'd rather they develop 055 which marries mature technology with some new technology, on a sensible hull design of good size with large potential for future growth, and which is affordable enough to build many, rather than only three.

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It's also worth mentioning that no other navy apart form the US is seriously considering or on the verge of construction surface combatants as large as Zumwalt and 055, and out of the two of them, 055 is the one that will probably have a larger production run (almost definitely more than 3, unless something dramatic happens in China's economic circumstances). Even the USN for the next decade or two after Zumwalt, will be producing Flight III burkes limited to about 10,000 tons by hull size.
 
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