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So Mr. Blackstone, whom do you believe Western & US media?????
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So Mr. Blackstone, whom do you believe Western & US media?????
Blackstone
Brigadier
About as far as I could throw them. All medias are biased or agenda-based in their own way; some are better than others, and totalitarian government controlled media are the worst.
broadsword
Brigadier
Can you give examples of " Like most info out of China, we can't take them at face value and must wait and see."
Electric Propulsion is no longer a breakthrough technology as far as the west is concerned. It has been used in large passenger ships for years. It is still a propeller but powered by electricity.
You have to take all media with a grain of salt, however it is incorrect to say that China is a totalitarian government just like it is incorrect to say that the Chinese media is controlled in a totalitarian way. Maybe decades ago during the Cultural Revolution but certainly not in this day and age.
The media, even in China, is made up of thousands of reporters and thousands of media firms. There are quite a few instances where news that the government doesn't like has slipped through the censors at the state controlled CCTV, not to mention smaller, local/private networks. In China, the difference is that they lay the censorship rather thick about certain issues and in a direct way, while in the West, networks are pressured through more financial and clandestine means. Censorship usually only happens in China when it's news concerning some specific big shots' interests or stuff otherwise considered subversive.
However Chinese state media would not risk embarrassment by publishing false claims about something like military technology. If the claims in A.Man's article are indeed false, they are by no means a result of a "totalitarian" news media, but the work of fanboys. It would be the result of a LACK of regulation rather than an excessive amount. Remember that China, unlike North Korea, does not benefit politically from making official overstatements of their military capabilities. North Korean official media is designed strictly for its own news-starved citizens, while Chinese official media is under much higher scrutiny both domestically and abroad.
Blackstone
Brigadier
A good example is Li Keqiang's reported disbelieve of official Chinese economic data, and there are many more such examples.
The article A. Man posted claimed technology breakthrough.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Whatever you say if that make you sleep better at night. I am just curious if you don't believe anything coming out from China why bother frequenting site like this?
Blackstone
Brigadier
1) Topics are fun
2) Goodhearted banter (mostly)
3) Better info than some other forum/media sources
4) Feng and Jeff Head
5) Like other defense-related sites, this forum is "trust but verify"
broadsword
Brigadier
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Oh Man, i ask you a simple question on which part of A.Man's article, what tech or figure given is "too good to be true", and all you telling me is you don't believe simply cos it's reporting by the chinese media, "ChiCom" media to you.
So what's there to discuss in this forum where 90% of all news are from chinese media, chinese forums and bbs. I guess you prefer discussing articles from strategypage which you like to quote. Excellent choice for someone who is picky on which media to believe.
That's your bias belief. Not a adequate reason to discredit A.Man. article and its claimed tech breakthrough.
Assume if i tell you that chinese believe all westerners and its media are out to discredit chinese achievement, some worse than others, and americans are the worst. Is this reason good enough to discredit all westerners, especially americans, posting in this forum for seeking clarification on chinese achievements.
Your doubts on A.Man's article and its claim have just been nullified by the above assumed belief. Do you want me and other forumers to adopt similar beliefs??
1) I agree.
2) I hope so.
3) Yes, better than most other english-speaking forums/media sources such as Strategypage, even Janes.
4) I like Jeff Head for his extensive knowledge on US naval practices. Feng, a Canadian chinese who left China at the age of 10/12?? gets most of his info from chinese forum/bbs, the very media you distrust. Maybe you like Feng's style of reporting chinese military development which most of us can see the reason for your pet preference.
5) What is there to verify if you just discredit the all chinese media and 90% of all news in forum are from chinese media.
I really don't the stamina or wish to correct your bias belief. i hope for the good of this forum, you can look at an article as it is and not simply say "NO, BS, its from ChiCom media".
Blackstone
Brigadier
Ok rolking, I get your meaning. Peace.