052/052B Class Destroyers

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Roger604 said:

^ Huh? Are you implying that they removed the anti-ship missile cannisters that were there before?

That means they're fitting in something new?!

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yeah, concur with what sinowarrior said, take a look at where the cannisters should be, they've either took it off or had fake one in there for a while.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

i always had doubt about the overall capability of 052C, it was never armed with any SSM, in fact054A and 051C were not armed with that, also if the HHQ9 was only indeed with a mininmal operation height of 10m, then it is useless against any seaskimmers, and since its max range is even shorter than the range of air launched Yj-83, it just has no ability to target eith the platforms or the missiles.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

sinowarrior said:

i always had doubt about the overall capability of 052C, it was never armed with any SSM, in fact054A and 051C were not armed with that, also if the HHQ9 was only indeed with a mininmal operation height of 10m, then it is useless against any seaskimmers, and since its max range is even shorter than the range of air launched Yj-83, it just has no ability to target eith the platforms or the missiles.

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That's probably because they're only stepping stones. Around the time we see China start building the rumored carriers, we'll probably see the next generation of those ships being built as well.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

No doubt they'll start building 052D as soon as the shipyard is done relocation. But I wonder why they dismounted the anti-ship missiles on the 052C. Wouldn't you need it for training purposes, at least?

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Roger604 said:

No doubt they'll start building 052D as soon as the shipyard is done relocation. But I wonder why they dismounted the anti-ship missiles on the 052C. Wouldn't you need it for training purposes, at least?

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Most likely a top weight saving measure.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

sinowarrior said:

i always had doubt about the overall capability of 052C, it was never armed with any SSM, in fact054A and 051C were not armed with that, also if the HHQ9 was only indeed with a mininmal operation height of 10m, then it is useless against any seaskimmers, and since its max range is even shorter than the range of air launched Yj-83, it just has no ability to target eith the platforms or the missiles.

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That part is not true, 052C has been documented to not only carry SSM, but actually using it against each other in naval exercise. As for the rest, I don't think you are understanding its role in PLAN. It's very much the command ship, its job is to sit in the middle of the fleet detect incoming aircraft, missiles and such. Relay the info to other ships to get them prepared. HH-9 has enough range to be used against fighters. How many naval forces are going to launch anti-ship missiles from over 200 km away? And even if they do, they will eventually fly into the engagement radius of HH-9. As for the targeting part, it eliminates attacking missiles through ECM, decoys and Type 730.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

true, i had read the artcile regarding to that execise, and my impression is it was not a proper exercise involved in live firing but a mock up. as for its role, i guess its role will be providing air covers for the entire battle fleet, since it is the only class with that capability, yet its missiles lack the ability to engage seaskimmers. How many naval forces are going to launch anti-ship missiles from over 200 km away? quite a few naval force in the Asian pacific can do that, so i guess 052C is no different from those weapon test ships in that regard.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

sinowarrior said:

true, i had read the artcile regarding to that execise, and my impression is it was not a proper exercise involved in live firing but a mock up. as for its role, i guess its role will be providing air covers for the entire battle fleet, since it is the only class with that capability, yet its missiles lack the ability to engage seaskimmers. How many naval forces are going to launch anti-ship missiles from over 200 km away? quite a few naval force in the Asian pacific can do that, so i guess 052C is no different from those weapon test ships in that regard.

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if they do an exercise involving anti-ship missiles, that means that is one of the roles that 052C can do during combat situation. But at the present time, whether it really needs to is a different issue.
care to name the naval forces that launch 200 km+ sea skimmers?

Re: DDG 052C Thread

sinowarrior said:

i always had doubt about the overall capability of 052C, it was never armed with any SSM, in fact054A and 051C were not armed with that, also if the HHQ9 was only indeed with a mininmal operation height of 10m, then it is useless against any seaskimmers, and since its max range is even shorter than the range of air launched Yj-83, it just has no ability to target eith the platforms or the missiles.

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Actually, here's a good pic of a 052C with SSMs. Same pic is right here on sinodefence.



And here's a pic of an 054A with its SSMs.



Recent pics may not show them...but they are clearly still planned (as evidenced by the cradles still being there) and could be installed quickly when needed.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

tphuang said:

if they do an exercise involving anti-ship missiles, that means that is one of the roles that 052C can do during combat situation. But at the present time, whether it really needs to is a different issue.
care to name the naval forces that launch 200 km+ sea skimmers?

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US,Japan,South Korea, Taiwan, they all have missiles around that range