052/052B Class Destroyers

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Jeff Head said:

Actually, here's a good pic of a 052C with SSMs. Same pic is right here on sinodefence.

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And here's a pic of an 054A with its SSMs.

[qimg]http://www.jeffhead.com/rocnvsplan/Photo-PLAN-Jiangkai2a.jpg[/qimg]

Recent pics may not show them...but they are clearly still planned (as evidenced by the cradles still being there) and could be installed quickly when needed.

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but the problem is nearly all the chinese surface ships are armed with missiles apart from the pair of 052C, which may indicates the potential problems with it new SSM.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

sinowarrior said:

US,Japan,South Korea, Taiwan, they all have missiles around that range

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US? I don't believe USN uses any anti-ship weapon of that kind of range at the moment.

Japan, ASM-1 and ASM-2, neither goes as far as 200 km. South Korea, again, nothing goes that far that's air launched. SLAM-ER is not an anti-ship weapon. Taiwan? if you are talking about HF-3, that's not air launched.

but the problem is nearly all the chinese surface ships are armed with missiles apart from the pair of 052C, which may indicates the potential problems with it new SSM.

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on the contrary, it means Chinese already has too many ASuW platforms. For example, does Type 45 use any anti-ship weapon?

Re: DDG 052C Thread

TPHuang, you should explain what you're talking about. Sinowarrior is asking a perfectly logical question. ASuW is so important to a guided missile destroyer's function that it makes no sense for 052C to not carry around SSMs.

It's definitely not a weight problem. It's definitely not a technical problem with the SSMs.

Maybe they tested the YJ-62 on it before to make sure the missile can work with the ship, but they really intended to fit the ship with a different missile -- a new one that they don't want to reveal yet. So that's why the ship goes around without a cannister. This way, they can pop in the new missile, test it out, and then remove it before somebody takes a picture.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

How do we know its no a weight proplem? Or technological proplem?

Without any really valuable information from 100% realible source, we are only tied to assumptions made on various pieces of facts and figures. I personally belive that the proplem is in the missile or in the systems associated with it in the ship. Weight issue shouldn't be a proplem or at least I hope it wont becouse that would tell serious lack and mistakes in the shipdesign of that class. I have too much doupt on that sector conserning this ship so I really don't need anotherone.
Proplems with the missilesystem is more logical as missiles are more sophisticated and complex apparates and even smallest proplems may cause serious delays. Given the fact that the YJ-63 is somewhat completely new system and not based directly to any earlier chinese missile, the propability of those factors that may go wrong dramatically increases.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

true some warships do not carry any SSM,but i do not think that will be the case for 052C, since all the chinese major surface ships are intended to be armed with SSMs. also it is also puzzle me that all the 022 missile boats are not armed, if they are intended to be armed with yj-8 then they should already be armed. hence i always think both 052C and 022 are intended to be armed with the new generation of SSM, but due to some reason most likely technical or change of requirment, the new SSM is not produced yet.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

sinowarrior said:

true some warships do not carry any SSM,but i do not think that will be the case for 052C, since all the chinese major surface ships are intended to be armed with SSMs. also it is also puzzle me that all the 022 missile boats are not armed, if they are intended to be armed with yj-8 then they should already be armed. hence i always think both 052C and 022 are intended to be armed with the new generation of SSM, but due to some reason most likely technical or change of requirment, the new SSM is not produced yet.

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If you check the Visby, which is Sweden's own stealthy FAC, it goes around not armed too.

There is one reason why sometimes, its better to go unarmed if you are in a low DEFCON situation where you are not anticipating any threat. If you take out a missile out of its storage container and arm a ship, the clock starts counting down on its life. Constant machine vibration, the ship rolling and yawing, exposure to air and sea spray, and after a while, the missile is no longer fresh, and it may be compromised to operate. Chances are it may not work 100%. Missiles are delicate material.

If you don't plan to use them, its better to keep them stashed and stored. I doubt that for example, you got live Sunburns in the PLAN Sovremannies.

Same goes with fighter jets and bombers. Flying missiles around when not in use, compromises the missiles.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

sinowarrior said:

true some warships do not carry any SSM,but i do not think that will be the case for 052C, since all the chinese major surface ships are intended to be armed with SSMs. also it is also puzzle me that all the 022 missile boats are not armed, if they are intended to be armed with yj-8 then they should already be armed. hence i always think both 052C and 022 are intended to be armed with the new generation of SSM, but due to some reason most likely technical or change of requirment, the new SSM is not produced yet.

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again, the fact that they are not seen in the docks with SSM does not mean they are not going to carry them in action. We have discussed this in the past, but 022 is clearly intended to use YJ-83 like missile. And it's been mentionned that they've already had exercises of Y-8 AEW (maybe KJ-200) providing targeting info for SSMs launched from 022 and the missiles easily striking OTH targets.

TPHuang, you should explain what you're talking about. Sinowarrior is asking a perfectly logical question. ASuW is so important to a guided missile destroyer's function that it makes no sense for 052C to not carry around SSMs.

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why is 052C a guided missile destroyer? Did PLA call it that or did internet warriors? We've seen 052C carrying missile launchers in the past. Just because they are sailing off this time without them, doesn't mean they won't use it in battle. It seems to me that they need far more training in AAW than ASuW at the moment.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

some pictures of 052C from the 80 year celebration





Nothin much more to see I guess, other pictures are all repeats

Re: DDG 052C Thread

pictures of 052B from this 80th anniversary. Not much to see either I guess, but a good over the top view of the ships.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

pictures of 171 from the recent time. Unfortunately, the SSM launchers are taken off, but still nice shots.