052/052B Class Destroyers

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Off topic discussions ain't over till the fat pilot sings, and I foresee the fat pilot singing here pretty soon unless we get back to the 052C.

I am interest to see what CIWS they have installed once the covers come off. I have a feeling its going to be the same Type 1030 as recently installed on the Varyag.

It would make no sense to specially design a new gun for a one-off ship and not also use that for other new builds, especially where space and weight would not be an issue as is the case with the 052Cs.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Maggern said:

If there ever was a full-scale naval war in the East China sea between Korea, Japan, the US 7th fleet and China, the intersting part would be that the war could be fought as much with ASCM-equipped bombers and land-based ASCM batteries as with actual naval vessels....AFAIK, China has a lot more resources poured into coastal batteries and ASCM technology than the other powers around the East China Sea....

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what you say is true withinin it's own context HOWEVER there wouldn't be such a thing as just a full scale naval war between Korea, Japan, the US 7th fleet and China.
It would be call WW III and we'll all be dead. ok we're getting really off topic :nono:

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Jeff Head said:

The Japanes maintain a fleet of about 50 modern detroyers in total. As to ones that compare to the 052C, they maintain eight of them.

right now that consists of:

2 Akazuki Class DDGs (6,800 tons)
4 Kongo Class AEGIS DDGs (9,000 tons)
2 Atago class AEGIS DDGs (10,000 tons)

within the next 2-3 years that composition is expected to change to twelve total:

4 Akazuki Class DDGs
4 Kongo Class AEGIS DDGs
4 Atago class AEGIS DDGs

They have built two large, Hyuga class flat deck helicopter carriers as flagships and for ASW work (18,000 tons). They have proposed and budgeted for two even larger carriers which would be capable of VTOL aircraft, called the 22DDH project (28,000 tons).

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Since when were the JMSDF going to procure an additional two Atago class DDGs?
Also I do not believe any of the Akizuki class are commisioned yet?
And the 22DDH is known as the 19k ton helicopter destroyer right? 19k-24k ton displacement?

Cheers.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

HKSDU said:

That's a strong claim to make about the Type 052D. Lot of people thought that the Type 054A should've stopped, yet they are churning them out in the shipyards at very fast pace.


Let's forget about the older frigates and just concentrate on the Type 052C and Type 054A, we have 6+12 that's 18 deadly fighting naval vessels. Which is more then most of China's, neighbours naval inventory.

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The Type 054As won't stop until the 12th is launched.

18 vessels is nothing if China wants to be a naval power worldwide. I'm guessing the Type 052D and Type 054B will be mass production ships (the Type 052C/+ and Type 054A are all intermediate steps).

Re: DDG 052C Thread

The speculated Yu-8 torpedo:

In 2007, domestic Chinese sources have claimed that Yu-8 torpedo had become the test vehicle and subsequently the first torpedo to be armed with a new warhead that was developed by the Chinese naval research institute. The new warhead utilizes sodium hydride compounds / chemical reaction and once detonated, large amount of sodium powder is released. The chemical reaction of sodium powder and sea water produce huge amount of hydrogen at very high temperature within very short period of time and the within range of several dozen meters, the temperature instantly increased to over two thousand degrees (celsius) as the chemical reactions taken place with hydrogen and oxygen, destroying the target even if no direct hit is scored. During the test in East China Sea, a retired twelve thousand ton ship was hit by two Yu-8 torpedoes on one side, and the side that was hit was completely melted within fifteen minutes.​

Seems like a new thermobaric underwater warhead.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

SinoSoldier said:

The Type 054As won't stop until the 12th is launched.

18 vessels is nothing if China wants to be a naval power worldwide. I'm guessing the Type 052D and Type 054B will be mass production ships (the Type 052C/+ and Type 054A are all intermediate steps).

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I wouldn't hold my breath for an arleigh burke style mass acquisition if that's what you mean by mass production.

SinoSoldier said:

The speculated Yu-8 torpedo:

In 2007, domestic Chinese sources have claimed that Yu-8 torpedo had become the test vehicle and subsequently the first torpedo to be armed with a new warhead that was developed by the Chinese naval research institute. The new warhead utilizes sodium hydride compounds / chemical reaction and once detonated, large amount of sodium powder is released. The chemical reaction of sodium powder and sea water produce huge amount of hydrogen at very high temperature within very short period of time and the within range of several dozen meters, the temperature instantly increased to over two thousand degrees (celsius) as the chemical reactions taken place with hydrogen and oxygen, destroying the target even if no direct hit is scored. During the test in East China Sea, a retired twelve thousand ton ship was hit by two Yu-8 torpedoes on one side, and the side that was hit was completely melted within fifteen minutes.​

Seems like a new thermobaric underwater warhead.

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Bro red is only for mods.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Bltizo said:

I wouldn't hold my breath for an arleigh burke style mass acquisition if that's what you mean by mass production.

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Indeed, 052C current system is too air defense dedicated, unlike the Arleigh Burke class which can afford a role-changing loadouts thanks to the Mk41 VLS system...besides, the VLS system that the HQ-16 uses have yet proven to be a modular, multi-role system like the Mk41.

Bro red is only for mods.

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Bro, his problem is more than that...typical "fanboy symptom" that's how I'd put it, that's when swimming too much in shaky speculation will get you...

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Bltizo said:

I wouldn't hold my breath for an arleigh burke style mass acquisition if that's what you mean by mass production.

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Not by that many numbers. The Type 052D will be China's mass production ship, like how the Arleigh Burke is the US mass production ship.

Are my analogies too vague?

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Bro red is only for mods.

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Didn't know that. Now I know.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

SinoSoldier said:

Not by that many numbers. The Type 052D will be China's mass production ship, like how the Arleigh Burke is the US mass production ship.

Are my analogies too vague?

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I think what you meant is that China would view the 052D like how US views the Arleigh Burke.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Bltizo said:

Since when were the JMSDF going to procure an additional two Atago class DDGs?
Also I do not believe any of the Akizuki class are commisioned yet?
And the 22DDH is known as the 19k ton helicopter destroyer right? 19k-24k ton displacement?

Cheers.

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In a 2007 JMSDF review they called for a total of eight DDG units consisting of four destroyers each, 3 of them multi-purpos and the fourth AEGIS. That would require a total of eight AEGIS DDGs and currently they only have six. Thus the speculation that two more Atagos would be built.

As to the 22DDH, The Hyuga, which was called the 16DDH, now has a full displacement of 18,000 tons. The 22DDH wil likely have a full displacement of 28,000 tons.

And the Akizuki, DD 115 is already built and going through trials. The second 19DD is to be launched this year as DD 116. They are impressive looking, modern DDGs as well.



Here's the second pne, DD 116, under construction: