052/052B Class Destroyers

i.e.

Senior Member
Re: DDG 052C Thread

The current batch looks just like the first two 052C, 170 and 171, but in Chinese internet articles they are usually referred to as 052C+. We may learn of upgraded when the first is completed later this year.

To me it seems rather unclear whether there will be a 052D class, or they switch to a entirely new design, post-2015.

The + may refer to the newer version of HQQ-9 long range they carry. suppose to be able to engage targets now out to 300 km and has ABM capability.

Also they have a SMART-L clone in works. it would be interesting to see it ever makes on to a destroyer.
 

Maggern

Junior Member
Re: DDG 052C Thread

There is nothing magical about Aegis and data links.
and It is pretty much wrong to say PLAN has had no experience in operting them in a network.

PLAN has had experience with datalinks back in the days of 051 Ludas modernization.

Even Their 022 missile boats are specifically designed to be cued in via data link from Y-8 MPA.

Ok, thanks. Live and learn I guess. I thought the 052Cs brought with them a completely new level of situation awareness...
 

Red___Sword

Junior Member
Re: DDG 052C Thread

052D has something to do with a phrase that went around the online conversation a while back. roughly translated, it is something like "Target Ship" as in "target/goal".

roughly, best that I can tell is that "Target Ship" is suppose to be what the final evolution of 052 Series. Gas Turbine powered, slightly smaller/ bigger than Areligh Burke. (depends on who you believe), has active phased array, multi-role, and will be produced in a batch that is roughly same number as the venerable old 051 Luda series. instead of "two off" series chinese destroyers has been going through ever since the original 052A pair.
Everyone assumed that the next incarnation in the 052 series (logically would be a "D") is this "Targets ship".

now that we can see 052C is the first chinese destroyer design since the mid 80s (20 + years! ) that has had more than 1 pair entering service. , question arise where is the 052D/ Target ship?!


Only have a rough idea of 目标舰 before, your explain sorts out many things. Thanks a lot.

One thing to share, is that once the 目标舰 has reached, it marks the begining of "manufacturing" phase of the "determined" series, and the "project-lize" of a brand new series of 目标舰.

So call "project-lize", means the programme, is committed from research, into "let's have a try".

You don't actually believe the 052 is the height of China's destoryor building capability (probability), do you?
 

i.e.

Senior Member
Re: DDG 052C Thread

Ok, thanks. Live and learn I guess. I thought the 052Cs brought with them a completely new level of situation awareness...


052C did!

but even if you look at some of the old DDG 167 CIC room pictures,, even on that ship (the first new DDG after the DDG 112-113 052A pair) they had 3 big projector screens up in front, displaying cumulative information from the battle area. That's different from the TAVITAC system.
 

i.e.

Senior Member
Re: DDG 052C Thread

The question is for 052D(?)/ NBDfP (Next Big Destroyer for PLAN):

would the same propulsion system (CODOG) and hull form family be used?

8x6 cylinders and the radar about the upper limit this hull can handle.

would we see a new hull?
 

A.Man

Major
Re: DDG 052C Thread

Backbones of Different Times!

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pugachev_diver

Banned Idiot
Re: DDG 052C Thread

Backbones of Different Times!

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what is this? minesweeper? old frigate? the gap in the size is insane...like a mammoth to a pig or something. in extreme situations, 170 just have to sail over the other and wont even harm itself, maybe just some scratched paint
 

franco-russe

Senior Member
Re: DDG 052C Thread

755 CHAOYANG is one of six HOUXIN class (Type 037 IG, armed with 2x2 YJ-8 SSM) of the 2nd Missile Boat Squadron, based at Sanya-Yulin, as is LUYANG II 170 LANZHOU.

There should be no surprise in that ships come in different sizes and shapes, depending on their role in the overall scheme of things...
 

no_name

Colonel
Re: DDG 052C Thread

Apparently people said that:

"051 stands for "steam turbine" whereas 052 for "gas turbine". in the days when 051s were developed, china's gas turbine was yet to be mature. 051C was the last steam turbine warship PLAN have. all new destroyers today are equipped with gas turbine. "

Is there truth to this? Does that mean the 051 series will not be further developed?
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Re: DDG 052C Thread

755 CHAOYANG is one of six HOUXIN class (Type 037 IG, armed with 2x2 YJ-8 SSM) of the 2nd Missile Boat Squadron, based at Sanya-Yulin, as is LUYANG II 170 LANZHOU.

There should be no surprise in that ships come in different sizes and shapes, depending on their role in the overall scheme of things...

poor sailors! the living conditions on the Type 037 must be borderline odious! I'm glad that the PLAN has also made significant strides in improving the living conditions of sailors aboard their warships. People tend to be more productive and efficient when they are happy and well fed!
 
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