052/052B Class Destroyers

Re: DDG 052C Thread

kroko said:

Are you people saying that there are two more ships (5 and 6) of this class in construction, in addittion to 3 and 4 hulls?

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They are saying that two more Type 52Cs are under construction, which would make for a total of six. The first two. The two recently with one of those almost completely outfitted, and now these two.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

franco-russe said:

Very interesting photos, thank you!

However, I think that the 052C in the third picture is Hull 4. It seems to be in exactly the same position as the one in the two last photos of post # 697.

The collection of hull sections on the two first photos are likely for Hull 6. I guess that Hull 5 is now being formed in Building Hall 2 (the eastern one).

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Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. It has been known for more than a year that the present batch will number four, pennant numbers 140, 141, 172, 173. They will be delivered 2011-13

There may be a second batch of four 2014-16.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

I wonder if those ships already could link together similar to the Aegis system. This ability is easier said than done, especially when trying to link together ships that are hundreds of kilometres apart while maintaining the data rate and keeping it coded.
When North Korea fired those missiles flying over Japan, JSDF and American Navy deployed few of those Aegis ships in case of emergency. They were few hundred kilometers apart and were still able to maintain a functional data link.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

The problem in any case would be that, being limited to two AEGIS-capable ships, the PLAN has no experience in operating several of these together in a network, which would bring an AEGIS system to its full potential. Once this batch is done and the PLAN has a reasonable fleet of aegis ships, they can start doing the real large-scale test necessary for e.g. a carrier group to operate efficiently

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Maggern said:

The problem in any case would be that, being limited to two AEGIS-capable ships, the PLAN has no experience in operating several of these together in a network, which would bring an AEGIS system to its full potential. Once this batch is done and the PLAN has a reasonable fleet of aegis ships, they can start doing the real large-scale test necessary for e.g. a carrier group to operate efficiently

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it was a while before a 2nd batch of Type 052C destroyers were launched, first entering service in 2003 thats 8 years ago China took a very long time before continuing its production, during this time PLAN gained invaluable experience with such a advanced surface vessal testing out its systems and using them to full potential, now happy with the result they are making more of these destroyers and i dont think it will be long before they are deployed in a AEGIS type system as they will have ironed out all the bugs etc

those 8 years of hard work will certainly make life easy for PLAN in the coming years as the fruits from those stuided are now implemented

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Maggern said:

The problem in any case would be that, being limited to two AEGIS-capable ships, the PLAN has no experience in operating several of these together in a network, which would bring an AEGIS system to its full potential. Once this batch is done and the PLAN has a reasonable fleet of aegis ships, they can start doing the real large-scale test necessary for e.g. a carrier group to operate efficiently

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There is nothing magical about Aegis and data links.
and It is pretty much wrong to say PLAN has had no experience in operting them in a network.

PLAN has had experience with datalinks back in the days of 051 Ludas modernization.

Even Their 022 missile boats are specifically designed to be cued in via data link from Y-8 MPA.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

franco-russe said:

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. It has been known for more than a year that the present batch will number four, pennant numbers 140, 141, 172, 173. They will be delivered 2011-13

There may be a second batch of four 2014-16.

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Further to the question of numbers of Type 052C+ to be built:

It was an exaggeration to say that the order for four has been known for more than a year. The first report was posted (#443) by the invaluable A. Man in November 2010 , at the time that Hull 1 was being readied for launch from Building Hall 1 and Hull 2 was being assembled in Building Hall 2.

In the 052D thread a report was posted 18 November 2010, saying that there will be two for East Sea Fleet and two for South Sea Fleet.

There has even been information about the names of the four units, allegedly 140 SUZHOU, 141 XIAMEN, 172 CHENGDU, 173 LA’SA. While this may not be credible (I would be rather surprised to see a PLAN ship named after Lhasa), there are several reports on the pennant numbers, see for instance # 454.

The article I quoted as saying that there will be a second batch of four Type 052C actually talks about launches, stating that one will launch in 2010 (that occured 28 November), two in 2011 and one in 2012, and again, one in 2013, two in 2014 and one in 2015.

With a one year break 2012-13, they will apparently be launched at six-month intervals. That basically repeats the pattern of the four Type 052B/052C previously built by Jiangnan, although in a different location. They were launched in May 2002, October 2002, April 2003 and October 2003.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

so where does this Type052D business come in? is the current 4 from this batch Type052C or Type052D?

the next one in 2013, two in 2014 and one in 2015 are these going to be the same configuration as this batch at the moment? or more advanced ones?

this means by 2015 China will have 10 Type052C/D destroyers in addition to 16 Type 054/054A/054B frigates and 3+ Type071 LPDs WOW!!!

Re: DDG 052C Thread

The current batch looks just like the first two 052C, 170 and 171, but in Chinese internet articles they are usually referred to as 052C+. We may learn of upgraded when the first is completed later this year.

To me it seems rather unclear whether there will be a 052D class, or they switch to a entirely new design, post-2015.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

asif iqbal said:

so where does this Type052D business come in? is the current 4 from this batch Type052C or Type052D?

the next one in 2013, two in 2014 and one in 2015 are these going to be the same configuration as this batch at the moment? or more advanced ones?

this means by 2015 China will have 10 Type052C/D destroyers in addition to 16 Type 054/054A/054B frigates and 3+ Type071 LPDs WOW!!!

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052D has something to do with a phrase that went around the online conversation a while back. roughly translated, it is something like "Target Ship" as in "target/goal".

roughly, best that I can tell is that "Target Ship" is suppose to be what the final evolution of 052 Series. Gas Turbine powered, slightly smaller/ bigger than Areligh Burke. (depends on who you believe), has active phased array, multi-role, and will be produced in a batch that is roughly same number as the venerable old 051 Luda series. instead of "two off" series chinese destroyers has been going through ever since the original 052A pair.
Everyone assumed that the next incarnation in the 052 series (logically would be a "D") is this "Targets ship".

now that we can see 052C is the first chinese destroyer design since the mid 80s (20 + years! ) that has had more than 1 pair entering service. , question arise where is the 052D/ Target ship?!