052/052B Class Destroyers

i.e.

Senior Member
Re: DDG 052C Thread

if 051C gets converted into ASW destroyers than NSF will be completely devoid of any ships with air defense capabilities. After all, these ships are suppose to extend out the defense of Beijing with their long range SAMs.

...and build more 052Cs and follow ons.

Rif-M will not get any better. HHQ-9 will.

Plus in Bohai Region NSF will be under fighter cover most of time. the need for AD ship in not urgent compare to SCS.

the urgent need is however Subs and ASW capability.
 

i.e.

Senior Member
Re: DDG 052C Thread

and in escort missions with the carrier - the 051 C don't need those helicopter hangar

My issue is not that 051C doesn't have a hangar.
My issue with 051C is that its AD system is not that good. the growth potential is very limited.
so instead of wasting space with a half hearted RIF-M Set, why not use it for ASW/GP.

PLAN doesn't have infinte tonnage so it has extract the maximum capability out its big ships.

052C is (can be) optimized for AD while 051C platform is not.
052C can shove in 48 rounds plus 4 panels of APAR. AND has room to put in an helo hangar and still has tonnage to spare.
051C is larger but can only manage to find space to shove in 6x8 rounds canisters. and 1 panel of Tomb Stone. and that's by taking up the entire helo hangar. and it dispalces 1000 ton more.

why not trade away that un-efficient use of space and maximizes ASW by having those hangars back and install HHQ-16 VLS in front. maximizes the firepower per ton if you will.

Also. If I were in charge I would be looking at taking out the hangar on 052C entirely. and ripe off the knife-rest radar, put in 1) a SMART-L and 2) 4 more canister worth of VLS in where the hangar use to be. make it into a true AD and land attack ship.

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The current set up 1x051C +1x 052C, between those two I would get 1 set of Rif-M and 1 set of HHQ-9, total 96 rounds on two platforms, 5 panels of radar, 1 top-plate and 1 Helio. for roughluy 13000 tons of combined tonnage.

if the same 052C and 051C goes through my above mentioned "conversion", you can get 12*6 = 72 rounds of HHQ-9. 32 rounds of HHQ-16/or ASW missile/or LACM, 4 Panels of APAR + 1 SMART-L, 1 top plate and 2 helos .

for AD the new combination is at least on par with current one, for ASW it is vastly improved.
 
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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Re: DDG 052C Thread

China needs a destroyer which can link up with others and provide large aerial defence for itself, its escorts and a landmass like a landing zone and also the ability to launch cruise missiles

how many tomahawk cruise missile can Arleigh Burke carry?
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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Re: DDG 052C Thread

how many tomahawk cruise missile can Arleigh Burke carry?

56 Tomahawks....and...40 others including SM-3..read on...

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The ships are armed with 56 Raytheon Tomahawk cruise missiles, with a combination of land-attack (TLAM) missiles with a Tercom aided navigation system, and anti-ship missiles with inertial guidance. The Standard SM-2MR block 4 surface-to-air missiles with command / inertial guidance remain at the centre of the Aegis system. Both Tomahawk and Standard missiles are fired from two Lockheed Martin mk41 vertical launch systems.

The first test of the weapon control system for the new Tactical Tomahawk (block IV) took place on USS Stethem (DDG 63) in October 2002. Full-rate production deliveries of the missile began in May 2004 and it entered service with the US Navy in September 2004. The new missile has the capability for mission planning onboard the launch vessel, in-flight targeting and loitering.

In December 2004, Raytheon began deliveries of the latest version of the Standard Missile, the SM-3. SM-3, based on hit-to-kill technology, has a kinetic warhead and is for deployment against short to medium-range ballistic missiles. The SM-3 block 1B missile, under development, also incorporates a two-colour infrared seeker and a throttling divert and attitude control system.

There are also eight Boeing Harpoon surface-to-surface missiles and Lockheed Martin ASROC vertical launch anti-submarine systems, armed with the mk50 or mk46 torpedo. ASROC is launched from the mk41 VLS.

Arleigh Burke vessels are fitted with the evolved Sea Sparrow missile (ESSM), developed by Raytheon. ESSM is an advanced ship self-defence missile for use against anti-ship missiles.
"Vital areas are protected by two layers of steel and 70t of Kevlar armour."

In July 2002, the first ESSM sea launch was carried out by Flight IIA vessel, USS Shoup. The missile was launched from the mk41 VLS and the Aegis AN/SPY-1D radar successfully guided the missile to destroy the target. ESSM passed US Navy operational testing and evaluation (OPEVAL) in September 2003 and entered full rate production in March 2004. USS Chaffee and McCampbell have been equipped with the new missiles.

There is one BAE Systems Land & Armaments (formerly United Defense) 127mm mk45 gun with Kollmorgen mk46 mod 1 electro-optic sight and two Raytheon / General Dynamics 20mm, six-barrelled Phalanx mk15 close-in weapon systems (CIWS). Phalanx block 1B has been installed on USS Howard, Bulkeley and Cole and is being installed on new build vessels.

The Phalanx 1B upgrade includes a Thales Optronics HDTI5-2F thermal imager, improved Ku-band radar and longer gun barrel providing an increased rate of fire of 4,500rpm. Flight IIA vessel USS Winston Churchill is the first ship to be fitted with the US Navy's most advanced gun, the mk45 mod 4, which can fire extended-range guided munitions (ERGM) to a range of nearly 60 miles. The Raytheon 127mm ERGM procurement was cancelled in July 2008.

The destroyers are fitted with six (two triple) 324mm mk32 mod 14 torpedo tubes, which launch ATK (AlliantTechsystems) mk46 or mk50 active / passive homing
 
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sealordlawrence

Junior Member
»Ø¸´: DDG 052C Thread

The Mk41 in its strike length configuration is highly flexible, theoretically an AB could carry 96 Tomahawks but it would not be carrying anything else.
 

no_name

Colonel
Re: DDG 052C Thread

They did develop tactical nuclear warhead for the 406mm main gun on the Iowa class but none was ever taken to sea and all four ships are now museums or waiting to become museum ships.
 
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