052/052B Class Destroyers

Blitzo

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

^ Is it just me or does the mast look like it's really high? Sort of like HMS Darling.
It's just you. If you look at pictures of the 052C the masts are the same height.

Let's wait until it gets launched.
 

terrorhunter

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

judging by how quickly the 999 was launched i wont be surprised if we see this ship being launched in the next couple of weeks
 

Blitzo

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

Slightly off topic, but a couple of guys on CDF are talking about a rumored 055 class "cruiser".

Here's a link to the article,
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and a rather mediocre google translation of said article. Can anyone give a judgement on how credible it is?

I remember when the 167 first launched, some domestic media with Russia, compared to the glorious class cruiser. The reason is that it has 16 issued C801 missiles. First, to confirm that China has no need to need to cruisers.

Analysis of the Chinese Navy:

Chinese naval combat strength of the current active defense can basically meet the needs of coastal waters, the total tonnage of the fleet up and down roughly 40 million tons, China's fourth largest naval fleet strength of Asia. The first is the U.S. Pacific Fleet, and the second is Russia's Pacific Fleet, and the third is from the Sea of Japan, the fourth is China. Chinese navy is currently the main convoy ships and submarines drive, which ships more than half of the water main no modern combat capability. China's shipbuilding industry developed, but despite progress in China's marine power and strength are still limited. In this context, the Chinese Navy capital ship in the air in place immediately after a light frigate design. Only satisfy the needs of multi-purpose anti-submarine warfare. No doubt that the strength of the Chinese naval fleet is now far behind the Japanese.

The future battlefield environment requires:

Offshore active defense, my understanding is that the traditional sense of combat and the coastal ocean for small target in combat. The Air Force and Second Artillery Corps, the Navy has been ahead of the scope into the air and space operations, the Navy still must have a fixed-wing aircraft off the ground or water. Offshore thinking of active defense operations as the main carrier, the navy was almost the only seaplane project even abandoned. Offshore operations in the U.S. military is overseas littoral operations, the existing strength of the Chinese navy is not possible to challenge the U.S. sub fleet. As China's military forces and the navy only a sea of arms for the battle, the Chinese navy's sustainable development, should not be confined to the surface and underwater. Sea-based missile defense operations, there is no real demand in China. The anti-missile operations, space operations is only a part of. The space battle is equipped with sea-based platform, will have the following advantages:

1, a good sport launch site;

2, the near-equatorial low earth orbit target of interception;

3, on the battlefield, detecting low-orbit satellites to add;

4, characteristics of the battlefield on the adaptability of the Chinese Sea. This mainly for Northeast Asia, Southeast Asia and Australia.

Above four, but also a part of information warfare.

First, the realization of carrier-based ballistic missile launch on the surface ship requirements;

Domestic naval vessels, the 170 has evolved into a ship similar to the main ship of the leading ship-based air defense, while the river is an open class, and there is no sustainable development of the non-modular type of short aspect ratio of the frigate, if waves 2 or DF15 achieve sea-launched, precision requirements in its orbit, the estimated ship designers will think of bulk carriers. If using military vessels to the development of a modular large-scale standard combined diesel and gas powered ships to carry can enter in the near-Earth orbit launch vehicle module-based platform, equipped with the number 16 made. And can meet the air defense and antisubmarine warfare needs and have greater room and large superstructure modified interior space, requires a displacement of less than 12,000 tons. Speed of 35 knots. Chinese navy's warships designers have such preparation?

Second, the battlefield of the future information requirements of the fleet command capability;

The future of offshore active defense, the truth is, the more branches within a certain distance from the joint attack - fighting the occupation, to 170 such camps - regimental air defense and command capabilities, ability to meet the amphibious troops dispatch, interceptor aircraft of outer space, temporary ground operations command center, air collection of information distribution, information distribution deal with such a sea battle the multiple needs?

Third, the future long-range heavy firepower of the ship's carrying capacity of the main requirements;

Fleet is now the core of the three fire attachment, can meet the Korean peninsula from Japan to Kyushu to Taiwan to Vietnam midline region 300KM fire came close to combat (heavy tactical rockets)? As well as cruise missiles and conventional ballistic missiles against throwing? Perhaps these things on the ground to the Second Artillery capable, forget it, as the future demand for larger UAV platform may want to gradually enter the twenties and thirties as a variety of ships, but as a mobile launch platform at sea, there corvettes can not carry a lot of weapons. So the Russians did not let Krivak glory and the Kirov-class of dry matter. Ballistic missile interception is virtual, destroy low-orbit and orbit each other is a real aircraft. If the Second Artillery Corps fleet heads to ensure that the satellite shoot down, then also no the needs.

Fourth, information warfare platform equipped with diversified needs of ships;

As a modular construction of the cruiser, its potential should be modified to adapt to the range is roughly: 1, UAV carrier; 2, ground fire attack; 3, the launch of the orbiter; 4, blocking each other Orbiter; 5 surface joint operations command center; 6, amphibious command center; 7, compete for control of the air-sea air combat command center;

As for the sea-based missile defense, to go see his mother's ghost.

The missile cruiser is expected to the primary task:

1, supplementary nuclear deterrence

2, the command center

3, space launch and space intercept

4, heavy long-range firepower thrown platform

Aircraft carrier battle group everyone knows how much the number of aircraft carrier the number of frigates and submarines, combat aircraft will be equipped with the number of satellites to support its information warfare systems? Do not be surprised by the U.S. military's space fighter, it was not so different with the small shuttle. MIG105 have become a relic. Comparison of this offense and defense have to spend much effort you how much space launch fighter God in one breath and I could replace the interceptor warhead ballistic missiles relationship. Unless able to open to the outer space to the carrier, or U.S. military aircraft and space satellites are no major differences.

Destroyers and frigates launched ballistic missiles can not do live, let the cruiser to get there. There is no practical basis, this cruiser is not made out. India launches ballistic missile frigate, no reference.

A lot of it sounds fanboyish, but I can't tell by the diction or syntax which would usually indicate its fanboy-ish-ness; my Chinese isn't up to par. If anyone can give an assessment it'll be appreciated, cheers.
 

maozedong

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

Slightly off topic, but a couple of guys on CDF are talking about a rumored 055 class "cruiser".

Here's a link to the article,
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and a rather mediocre google translation of said article. Can anyone give a judgement on how credible it is?



A lot of it sounds fanboyish, but I can't tell by the diction or syntax which would usually indicate its fanboy-ish-ness; my Chinese isn't up to par. If anyone can give an assessment it'll be appreciated, cheers.

just some one posted his/her idea, no any credit. note he/she posted this article on April,30,2010, old stuff, no any fresh idea.
 

maozedong

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

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052X almost be ready launch, seems no much defferent with 052C, but we have to wait to see,
 

cn_habs

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

If there are any changes, there are prob on the inside as the new destroyer looks like the same as Lanzhou.
 

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Blitzo

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

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052X almost be ready launch, seems no much defferent with 052C, but we have to wait to see,
Kind of dissapointed, but not unexpected, I just hope they have something better ready in the near future and this won't be the next mass produced class -- it just doesn't seem flexible enough with all the challenges PLAN will have in future.
Even the main gun hasn't seemed to changed to the rumored 130mm one.
I think this ship will probably just be called an 052C, maybe 052C+ if there's an added helicopter hangar or more VLS. The designation of 052D certainly does not seem fitting, but I suppose we'll wait for more photos.
 

challenge

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

do destroyer really needed large calibre gun? I recall a drawing new italian destroyer did not even fitted with LC gun, instead the forward stern was fitted VLS ,elimination of gun provide additional space for missile.
 

jowlim

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THANKS FOR THE NEW PHOTOS!

That second photo almost able to give us a clear indication on which type of VLS this new ship has installed too!!

I guess I'll just have to wait (darn!).
 
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