antiterror13
Brigadier
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
India ? ... please don't go there, no comparison really
India ? ... please don't go there, no comparison really
052/052B Class Destroyers
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steve_rolfe
Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Great to see images of the 1st 052D on sea trials...................but i'am somewhat confused!
Why?.............because it appears the 052D has been completed a great deal quicker than the 052C, and i'am not talking about the time to launching, but the outfitting of the vessels.
I mean 052C 4,5 & 6 are still not in service yet, though no.4 must be literally weeks away to be being commissioned. But the 052C's have taken an eternally long time to be outfitted and accepted into service.
What are want to know is why the 052D appears to of leapfrogged the 052C series in outfitting times, even though the 052D is apparently a more complex ship.
My conclusion is........that maybe the PLAN are not so hasty in introducing the 052C into the fleet as they know its capabilities, but the 052D is to be their main surface combatant of now, and they are keen to get them into sea trials a.s.a.p. to test them out!
Any thoughts anyone?
Great to see images of the 1st 052D on sea trials...................but i'am somewhat confused!
Why?.............because it appears the 052D has been completed a great deal quicker than the 052C, and i'am not talking about the time to launching, but the outfitting of the vessels.
I mean 052C 4,5 & 6 are still not in service yet, though no.4 must be literally weeks away to be being commissioned. But the 052C's have taken an eternally long time to be outfitted and accepted into service.
What are want to know is why the 052D appears to of leapfrogged the 052C series in outfitting times, even though the 052D is apparently a more complex ship.
My conclusion is........that maybe the PLAN are not so hasty in introducing the 052C into the fleet as they know its capabilities, but the 052D is to be their main surface combatant of now, and they are keen to get them into sea trials a.s.a.p. to test them out!
Any thoughts anyone?
duncanidaho
Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Don't forget the "Gamer Community" to recruit from. China has a lot of the world class Gamers in their midst and the pool of talented young Gamers is very, very big in China. The modern warfare has many similarities to computer Gaming and there is nothing to say against fast reactions and deft fingers.
Don't forget the "Gamer Community" to recruit from. China has a lot of the world class Gamers in their midst and the pool of talented young Gamers is very, very big in China. The modern warfare has many similarities to computer Gaming and there is nothing to say against fast reactions and deft fingers.
steve_rolfe
Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Eh?................true China has a lot of gamers.............but in the real world in the military its not fast fingers that count.........because its the computers on the ships that make the decisions!
Eh?................true China has a lot of gamers.............but in the real world in the military its not fast fingers that count.........because its the computers on the ships that make the decisions!
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. If what you say make a bit of sense then Singapore would have easily 250000 sailors and naval destroyers crew, so we can actually start a buying spree for hundreds of destroyers rather than stuck with a couple of frigates.
And US, having massive number of gamers should also do the same.
That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. If what you say make a bit of sense then Singapore would have easily 250000 sailors and naval destroyers crew, so we can actually start a buying spree for hundreds of destroyers rather than stuck with a couple of frigates.
And US, having massive number of gamers should also do the same.
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Well... never did I say that the Chinese didn't have enough trained crews for her ships. I said that they don't just need to pump out the hardware, but must also ensure that their software could follow up and by software I mean crews. Of course I would expect that all the warship they have now or is building, enough crews will be allocated to each of these ships.
However only in recent years that China had invested more heavily in their Navy, so they need more time to train their people. It is not that just throw in billions of dollars and in a few weeks or months a fully trained crew will come out, it don't work that way, you need time to train no matter how talented the Chinese are.
Secondly, nobody doubt that the Chinese' recruits are growing in quality in recent years (or decades) and they had more college graduates joining different services of their military, but it doesn't cut down the time needed to get these graduates trained fully.
US on the other hand already had a pool of these peoples around, they are in the game much longer than the Chinese, and my point is simple, nobody should underestimate US, just the same that nobody should underestimate the growing China.
The same thing can be said of your mentioning of "never underestimate your foe"... and I will say that to China too... no matter how good they have become... "never underestimate your foe" be it the US, the west in general, the Indians, the Japanese or whoever... and I would even throw in Philippines for good measure.
Well... never did I say that the Chinese didn't have enough trained crews for her ships. I said that they don't just need to pump out the hardware, but must also ensure that their software could follow up and by software I mean crews. Of course I would expect that all the warship they have now or is building, enough crews will be allocated to each of these ships.
However only in recent years that China had invested more heavily in their Navy, so they need more time to train their people. It is not that just throw in billions of dollars and in a few weeks or months a fully trained crew will come out, it don't work that way, you need time to train no matter how talented the Chinese are.
Secondly, nobody doubt that the Chinese' recruits are growing in quality in recent years (or decades) and they had more college graduates joining different services of their military, but it doesn't cut down the time needed to get these graduates trained fully.
US on the other hand already had a pool of these peoples around, they are in the game much longer than the Chinese, and my point is simple, nobody should underestimate US, just the same that nobody should underestimate the growing China.
The same thing can be said of your mentioning of "never underestimate your foe"... and I will say that to China too... no matter how good they have become... "never underestimate your foe" be it the US, the west in general, the Indians, the Japanese or whoever... and I would even throw in Philippines for good measure.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
I think the calibre and professionalism shown by the Liaoning crew shows how well trained are the PLAN sailors
End of story
I think the calibre and professionalism shown by the Liaoning crew shows how well trained are the PLAN sailors
End of story
