052/052B Class Destroyers

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

These Photos were taken in South China Sea by a sailor on the last mission before his retirement from PLA Navy in 2008











I Believe, The Person was aboard DDG169. This was the maintenance before the mission.









By the way, D4 is in the Hall



Possible D5



This was an earlier photo when D4's head was outside

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Bltizo said:

I do love that shot with 170 and the mighty tico. It really illustrates how both have a near identical beam.

I'd love to see a similar pic of 055 and zumwalt when both eventually hit the water.

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Except nothing that's been speculated about the 055 suggests it is analogous in technology, role, or design to the Zumwalt. Zumwalt was basically a clean slate design tailored for a scenario that presumes maritime superiority, and is aimed for the more versatile conversion of sea control into control of land and air considerable distance inland from shore.

055 seem to be the Chinese equivalent of Sejone the great, a linear scaling up of what has hither to been fleet air-defence escort designs.

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chuck731 said:

Except nothing that's been speculated about the 055 suggests it is analogous in technology, role, or design to the Zumwalt. Zumwalt was basically a clean slate design tailored for a scenario that presumes maritime superiority, and is aimed for the more versatile conversion of sea control into control of land and air considerable distance inland from shore.

055 seem to be the Chinese equivalent of Sejone the great, a linear scaling up of what has hither to been fleet air-defence escort designs.

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I was more thinking displacement wise.

And as of yet we have no idea whether 055 will be a brand new hull design or a beefed up 052 hull, even if logic would suggest the former.

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I think its pretty clear that the 055 will be a clean sheet design. The 052D is the 052 hull taken as far as it will reasonably go.

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A.Man said:

By the way, D4 is in the Hall

Possible D5

This was an earlier photo when D4's head was outside

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what the bloody hell us going here, so D4 is in the hallway from where D3 was launched 6 weeks ago just as i thought!

what exactly is cooking in the hallway then from where D2 was launched in Dec 2012, its been sitting empty for 8 almost 9 months now, does re-tooling it for a Type 055 Cruisers really take that long?

that module of the mid-section is clearly D5, because the head section of D4 is in the hallway so the mid-section cannot be for D4, its D5 alright

although i am happy to see D5 it is also disappointing, disasppointing because its D5 module for a DDG and not a module for what i was hoping to see, a module for a cruiser which i was hoping they would start assembling in the hallway from where D2 was launched

we are seeing a slow down, if both hallways continued building at previous pace D4 should be nearing launch from D2 hallway and D5 should have been put into the hallway where currently D4 is sitting, instead D5 is out in the yard in module and D4 doesnt look like it will be launched this year, and we seen 3 DDG launches last year

however this asks another question, how come already modules for D5 have appeared so quickly after D4 has just been put in the hallway assembley? do they plan on putting D5 in the next door hallway which has sat empty? hope not otherwise the whole re-tooling hypothesis will be out the window!!

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They are re-arming, not mobilizing. Re-arming does't mean they must be building at absolutely the maximum rate they can. They probably have budget cycle driven procurement schedule as well, letting a slip stand empty is just what flows out of procurement schedule.

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asif iqbal said:

D4 is in the hallway from where D3 was launched 6 weeks ago.

that module of the mid-section is clearly D5, because the head section of D4 is in the hallway so the mid-section cannot be for D4, its D5 alright

do they plan on putting D5 in the next door hallway which has sat empty? hope not otherwise the whole re-tooling hypothesis will be out the window!!

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I expect to see D5 in the second hallway soon. Otherwise it will be sitting outside in modules for a long time.

I expect we will see the Type 052D being built for some time to come as well there. It really is a very decent design, and will be a very capable area air defense vessel, and also a very capably multi-role destroyer.


Again, with a total of six Type 052Cs, and then at least that many Type 052Ds (and I actually expect that there will be at least 12 of them), the PLAN is going to be outfitted with a very world class destroyer force that will be capable of performing all sorts of missions, including, of course, excorting their carriers in the future.

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A.Man said:

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Hmmm, there seems to be no indication of a sonar radom on 052C's bulb (in any case the bulb seem too small to accommodate a full sized 2 CZ passive sonar array). Also there is no provision for a VDS array at all. This suggests 052C has pretty limited ASW capability.

Does China have any plans to produce a credible ocean going ASW escort? Lack of strong ship based ASW capability would seem to be a very glaring gap in PLAN's carrier escort force taking shape now. ASAIK, they have no effective stand off ASW weapon, they have no VDS capability, and they don't seem to have any thing comparable to large, highly sophisticated sonar arrays for passive 2 CZ anti-submarine survellance.

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chuck731 said:

Hmmm, there seems to be no indication of a sonar radom on 052C's bulb (why is the bulb there at all?). Also there is no provision for a VDS array at all. This suggests 052C has extremely limited ASW capability.

Does China have any plans to produce a credible ocean going ASW escort? This seems to be a glaring gap in PLAN's carrier escort force taking shape now.

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DDG 169 is a Type 052B. I'm not sure what kind of sonar system the Type 052C has.