052/052B Class Destroyers

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tphuang said:

As for Type 730 on 052D, I think it's probably space and power issue. That new PJ-38 main gun is taking up a lot larger space on 052D compared to 052C. The greater number of VLS will probably also take up more space than 052C VLS. Since the size and power of ship really did not change from 052C to 052D, PLAN properly figured the increased capability of Type 1130 isn't worth it.

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I agree with this, particularly on the wieght and space.

Also, isn't the Type 052D going to have a FL-3000N aft, above the hanger? If so, the combination of the Type 730 and the FL-3000N already marks a significant upgrade and improvement in close-in anti-missile capabaily which meets the PLAN's needs and their weight/space/powetr requirements.

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duskylim said:

What makes me wonder about the it's absence is that the PLAN actually has experience with gun-missile combinations from the Sov's they got from the Russians.
And its not like the Chinese have not carried out their own tests of such systems - witness the truck-mounted Type 730's with the missile launch boxes attached.
What gives? Why doesn't the PLAN marry guns to missiles?

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Systems like the Kashtan require significant deck penetration and is more than 2x heavier than Phalanx or RAM. IMO you could probably mount a lighter CIWS on top of the aft hanger and still have a usable hanger, but not with the Kashtan.

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duskylim said:

What gives? Why doesn't the PLAN marry guns to missiles?

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I don't think combining gun and missile is more flexible than separate missile + gun system. Guns can only train on one target at a time, which means your missile will have limited engagement envelop if you also want to use your guns at the same time, which kinds of defeat the purpose of having a missiles system with the capability to engage multiple targets.

I guess maybe back in the says when targeting system can only engage limited targets simultaneously the gun and missile co-mount system may improve kill prob., but I don't think it is longer the case now.

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ZHANJIANG, China (May 30, 2013) The Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Shiloh (CG 67), arrives for a port visit in Zhanjiang, the port of the South Sea Fleet of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy.

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Looking at that photo......reminds me of how incredibly high the bridge of a Ticonderoga cruiser is.
Surprised bridge crew don't get vertigo!

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A.Man said:

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ZHANJIANG, China (May 30, 2013) The Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Shiloh (CG 67), arrives for a port visit in Zhanjiang, the port of the South Sea Fleet of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy.

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What a amazing picture!

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Why would a PLAN destroyer needs to fly an American flag when entering its own zhejiang port?

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Lion said:

Why would a PLAN destroyer needs to fly an American flag when entering its own zhejiang port?

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You'll notice the Chinese flag on the Tico as well, it's just a sign of mutual respect, nothing to make a fuss out of.

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jobjed said:

You'll notice the Chinese flag on the Tico as well, it's just a sign of mutual respect, nothing to make a fuss out of.

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Never heard of this rule. And I don't think is making a fuss of it. Rather according to navy traditional. Only when warship entering foreign port, you need to fly that particular country flag. Never heard of escort flying foreign flag when doing duty in its own turf.

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A.Man said:

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ZHANJIANG, China (May 30, 2013) The Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Shiloh (CG 67), arrives for a port visit in Zhanjiang, the port of the South Sea Fleet of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy.

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Perhabs its just me, but im finding issues with this photo:

why would the chinese ship fly the US flag? it is foreign ships that fly the home flag. Home ships dont fly foreign flags on their own ports.

Is it a coincidence that both ships are caught navigating in the exact same direction at the same time? going to the port or leaving it?

With the strained relations betwen the 2 countries, with all the fuss thats going on, i wonder if both sides would find appropriate to make a very rare military port visit now.